Thanks for all the comments, guys! Quick note on the English dubs: we use dubbed versions since they're much easier to edit with. They also make cutaways way easier to understand. But let's see if we can do original Japanese next time. Is that what y'all prefer?
Usually it'd be fine, but with One Punch Man the Japanese voice acting lends a lot of depth to the characters and ends up making the show a lot more than just a comedy/parody, whereas the dub is a bit rubbish and makes the characters seem a lot less nuanced and likeable than they really are.
The only thing I disagree with in this analysis are Saitama's words to Mumen Rider after the Sea King fight. He wasn't being dismissive, he was genuinely impressed Rider took the guy on despite knowing he stood zero chance. He really meant it when he said "You should be proud."
Also let's not forget that mumen rider is honestly pretty tough and for a normal guy he really held out for longer than you would expect. Without him there the sea king might have killed many of the civilians before saitama got there...
That had a ton of catharsis for me. After watching this monster run a train on all these guys, some of who I really liked, and then even Mumen Rider. Just a dude trying to do his best and protect people. When Saitama shows up the payoff is the knowledge that this monster who was on the verge of killing everyone and beat the stuffing out of all those heroes is about to get his ass kicked.
Mumen Rider is an amazing character. He’s just a man on a bike. He _knows_ he’s just a man on a bike. But he constantly tries to stand up to insanely powerful villains.
Dx Fire trans girls have been allowed to compete in female competitions for DECADES. And only now they are starting to win in some. How many ones have you seen in the olympics? They don’t have an advantage, since they literally get rid of the testosterone. But conservatives like to turn every situation into a hate spreading shitshow. Just like you did, this video has absolutely nothing to do with trans people, but your sheer hate of those different made you link every possible bad thing to them.
@@Kiirxas but still their muscle density is not that of a girl, imagine a girl taking testosterone for years and then quits it and says it's fair to compete with other girls, hey dipshit that's why steroids are banned in athletic competitions, do you actually believe that those muscles that have been subjected to fucking steroids are the same to that of normal ones and where tf did you get that bullshit about trans girls competing with women for decades the first case was in 1975 that's not so long ago and let's be honest here trans girls are just men with mutilated penises
+Ruyeman The MVC2 Demo really drove home how bad I am at fighting games, while my mom is unable to walk around in a 3D 3rd person game, she kicked my butt simply by mashing buttons! You're either have a natural ability for fighting games or you don't! Then I tried that free to play Tekken game, only match I ever won was against one of my friends when they went AFK.
The philosophical aspect for this show can be deep if analyzed. The manga portrays different characteristics of society, such as corruption, the best examples of corruption is the Hero Association and how they treat rankings, heroes and profit. Saitama on the other hand was just a regular guy, who attained beyond godlike power, but it came with a price. Saitama even said that he sacrificed a portion of his humanity such as emotions. This anime/manga is brilliantly written.
I think Garou and Saitama are very similar and yet complete opposites. Garou extends his abilities to new heights always working forward and getting progressively stronger. Saitama stuck in the same regimen until he became essentially god. Even their clothes and bodies are opposites of one another. Garou has large spiky hair, sharp eyes, insane body and dressed in dark colors. Meanwhile Saitama is bald, has empty eyes, wears unimpressive clothing and always just seems sorta out of it. Though I think they’re still very similar. They act as the effects of society on people and how they interpret it in their life. They strive for similar goals, though in opposing ways and act as breakdowns of the Shōnen genre differently. Garou never stops as he destroys himself physically and mentally, like the a-typical Shonen mc. Meanwhile Saitama has completed his training, doesn’t fight anymore and is for all extensive purposes, retired. They both oppose the hero association in some way. Garou actively hates and wants to kill heroes left and right. Break down society and restart it. While Saitama sort of did that. He’s surpassed EVERYONE and is just bored with his mediocre existence as without fighting anyone, he’s become a mirror of Garou’s future self. Just some guy whose done everything and surpassed the ailing system. My god this is long. Sorry. I’m sure there’s plenty I missed out. Correct me if you want or just ignore. I don’t care, really.
I don't think Saitama congratulating Mumen Rider on his fight was supposed to sound as condescending or "anti-climactic" as it comes off in the English dub. He sounds a lot more sincere in the original. He meant it and surely envied Mumen Rider for his passion and bravery. It was actually a very profound moment which again, as others have pointed out, focused on Saitama's humanity and internal struggle.
My favourite part is were satima.. Gets upset about missing a sale on saturday when hes in the middle of a fight with carnage kabuto... Not worried about how hell go on a killing spree for a full week...😂😂
The thing is... Saitama specifically wanted a good fight... he's an adrenaline junkie. So it wasn't the fact that growing too strong would be boring, but that for an adrenaline junkie, he lost all danger...
It's not that there is no conflict, it's that Saitama's conflicts are all in the form of problems he can't solve with his fists, such as slander from jealous heroes, pressure from Genos to reveal a secret he doesn't have, or never receiving credit for his actions. You can't punch a viscous rumor away. No amount of brute force will make people think you aren't stealing credit from other heroes. There's no special combo that defeats personal despair. There's a conflict, and it's a serious one, but it's subtle.
Sean Dickey Actually, you can punch everyone who spreads rumors. It's hard, but doable if you do it fast enough to not spread rumors about punching people who spread rumors. It reminds me about a game Hell Yeah.
The way that Mumen Rider fight scene plays out with the Japanese voice actors is a little different. Saitama sounds way more genuine. On top of that there's a scene in the anime where Saitama gets lunch with one of his unlikely fans. This scene promotes meaning through human connection and kindness. Despite Saitama having thrown fame out the window at the bitter end of the Mumen Rider fight, he is still able to be a good hero and make a connection with someone. I would argue that this connection's intimacy is brought by Saitama's humble attitude and refusal to take credit for his good deeds.
Saitama does seem genuine to me. His voice is just monotone but he's never really sarcastic to anybody who isnt some sort of showboating villain. He doesn't really seem to have a mean bone in his body.
Whoa. This video was deceptively edited to make it look like Saitima hit Tank Top Tiger. That was Sonic YOU COWARDS! THIS WHOLE THING IS A METAPHOR FOR THE MYTH OF SISYPHUS.
One Punch Man is an anime we really need. Many writers should praise this show. What this show does well is the story. Saitama does everything for free, he's just a hero for fun, he's a below average intellect who's tired of tropes. When people go into a speech about their backstory, Saitama stops them. He's always worried about his next meal, not his next opponent. Notice how all his fights only last either a few seconds or just one episode? Japanese animation likes to spew backstory that lasts way longer than it should, the fights get drawn out to several episodes, the characters are all tropes, their hair color codes their personality i.e red hair male = skilled alpha male or blue hair male = weak aspiring beta male. In One Punch Man, the DUDES BALD lol!! Saitama isn't an alpha male or a beta male. He doesn't care about anything, he just tries to find joy in what he's proficient at. He's so good at what he does, he doesn't need to worry about it, he worries more about what most humans can relate to, everyday necessities, work, a home. Even his 2 minute backstory touched upon the modern social issues of Japan. That two minute flashback has better satire than most films that tries to take itself seriously. Geno's has a generic backstory but the writer doesn't make us care about it, because it's a generic story of vengeance; been there, done that, no one cares anymore. They showed us what would have happened in a generic anime and then trash it at the last moment and said "SIKE" and continued on with the theme of One Punch Man. In a show about heroism, they don't run the same formula like other shows. Anime formula: Peace - bad guy comes in - loses fight to bad guy - subplots - trains/finds weakness - beat up bad guy - rinse and repeat. In One Punch Man, Saitama kills all his opponents. Unlike other animes where a single villain has its own arc and it becomes a stale back and forth fight between the hero and villain. It's like Tom and Jerry where they constantly try to kill each other (without success) and it never comes to a conclusion. Saitama is an overpowered main character, because of that all the bigger problems that comes his way are easily solved by our protagonist. It forces the writers to be creative with the plot. To an extent, One Punch Man is a social commentary on the status of Japanese Animation, hence why they shit on everything anime has overdone. Theres a reason why many non anime watchers also love One Punch Man, it follows no trends and some people with a more cynical mindset enjoys the fact that it likes to make fun of it's own genre. I really think this show becoming a huge success can pave the way for many aspiring writers. Maybe it can give the majority of the audience an interest in much better story telling media. Instead of the rehash that constantly gets excreted from Hollywood and South Korea film industry.
By creating a new way of storytelling it ironically creates a venue for writers to find meaning, that is, hardship in terms of adventuring in new and unexplored territory. I like that :)
To the idiot who complains: He didn't write this specifically for you. By logic and sheer possibility someone is going to read it, if you aren't going to read it then it's not directed at you. Just shut up with that stupid shit. But. Very well said, Dao.
While this is all true, there is so much more going on in One Punch Man. Saitama has no heroic attitude. He does she job because it pays and because he can. He does not need the Hero Association to find a strong opponent because enemies of that level can't go unnoticed anyway. He does not see the need for the Association neither does he actually care for his rank much. That is why he sees the flaws and trials of the other heroes around him. -The Tank-Top brothers are assholes, but since they are medium to high rank heroes, they must be good guys for the people. - A meteor could have destroyed the whole city, but the heroes did not manage to make the damage = 0 so they must be good for nothings - These guys are calling themselves heroes but can't protect us against this massive sea-king-thing! How useless! Saitama sees all of this and we see it through him. People are utterly fooled by ranks and believe that the rank is all the graditude heroes deserve. In the end One Punch Man asks the question of what makes a hero. For that we have the 2 extremes of the strong Saitama who lacks the attitude and Moumen Rider who has the strong attitude but lacks the strenght.
@@francescofulghieri9608 Philosophy and Attitude are 2 different things though. Saitama goes in, defeats the monsters and leaves. He does not care for how the crowed he saves feel. When Saitama comes in to save people, for them it's not like a hero has entered ,but like a random meteorite has just crushed the monster before them. Yes, Saitama is a hero and he wants to be one, but he does not have the attitude that you would expect to come with it.
Tetrahedron6 except humans didn't come up with it, logically superior machines did. They were at levels similar to how most religious people envision their god at that point.
Shut up....seems like you haven't watched DBZ. The Mumen rider tensity of purpose and emotion looked crap compared to that of DBZ characters. But it was short and simple....so I'll give you that.
good vid, but you kind of miss the trope that really makes one punch man so enthralling even though the action is always a foregone conclusion. it's how the show emphasizes saitama's humanity that makes the show so interesting. a lot of the time we watch the show no just for the well drawn action sequences, but because Saitama does have his own glaring conflicts throughout the show. his lack of reputation, which makes it hard for people to take him seriously. the fact that no one has ever heard of him so people like mumen rider mooch off of his success. the fact that he has a few people that know of his power, and they know he's stronger than them, but he's still outranked in the pro hero circuit by even his own disciple. he went to the pro hero test and aced the physical exam but botched the written test because he's kind of a total dweeb. and people label him as a cheater because he is so overpowered that he graduated ranks at an exponential rate, so other heroes hate him. the conflicts go deeper than just fights at face value nectar wee know how that goes. that conflict is reserved for the character development of people around Saitama. His conflicts, besides trying to find a worthy adversary, is trying to deal with the formalities of being a hero in a world of heroes.
That is an interesting observation there. There's always room for more than one interpretation. Yours makes me think of One Punch Man as something of a spin on the Superman formula.
But Saitama clearly does not care about his reputation, or status within the hero association. It's a game to him. A game to be played for fun. We, as viewers, perceive his lack of (positive) reputation as an injustice, so it is a conflict for us, as viewers - not for him.
Perry's Hotter I'm thinking that is due to reasons, that Saitama himself doesn't quite understand yet. I'm hoping that as the story progresses, Saitama will discover which values drove him to join the hero association, and make that his meaning in life. I don't like to believe that Saitama would be petty enough to care about people knowing his name, his reputation, for it's own sake. I would like to think that there is some deeper value(s) at play
I think that is where the story is eventually headed, but it is clear that for the time being, one of Saitama's primary motivations is getting public recognition. But every time he does something worthy of that recognition the plot is contrived to take it from him. I think the resolution to this conflict will be Saitama coming to accept that he doesn't need public recognition and that the respect of his friends is enough.
"it is clear that for the time being, one of Saitama's primary motivations is getting public recognition" That's not clear at all to me. I just think he wants to have fun. I suppose garnering recognition is fun to him? Like climbing a leaderboard in a video game, having your name on the top of the board? I dunno, maybe I need to watch the show a second time
11:50 everyone seems to have over looked sitoma was the whole reason the hero league began. when genoa explains a man started the hero organization when a random hero saved his grandson 3 yrs prior it is so overlooked!!!!!!
Have to say I felt like this was totally off. Saitama has loads of conflict to deal with, its just none of his conflicts are physical. He deals entirely with mental issues like loneliness, boredom, being unappreciated, and trying not to mess up other heroes. These are all extremely contemporary issues for modern Japanese workers. I'm astounded that you could get this show so wrong. If you didn't see the conflict in each episode you should watch it again. There may be a monster invasion but the conflict is things like "can saitama find any meaningless crime to fix to maintain C rank?" or "can saitama save people without making the other heroes look bad?" or "can saitama be a mentor to someone when he doesn't understand where his success came from?" or frequently "can saitama be taken seriously if he doesn't look like people expect him to?" The joke is that the fights are window dressing for the real conflicts, not that there are no conflicts. If you missed these conflicts because you were buried in the pointless fights, then the show went right over your heads. Rewatch it.
I think you're the one misunderstanding. The reason he has problems like loneliness, boredom, etc, is precisely because he can solve all the "important" problems with one punch. If he had to struggle with that then he'd have reason to practice with other heroes and make friends. He'd have an unatainable goal to reach which would occupy him and give him purpose, every step towards it would be rewarding. He wouldn't have to "maintain c rank with meaningless crimes" if he was working on bettering himself. Problems like loneliness and chronic boredom are far worse than struggeling to become better at something, for example- or just being successful in life because the latter comes with rewards in success. The former cannot be alleviated if you don't have a purpose to work towards.
Daniel I agree, but these days if it's not some superficial or physical conflict it's nonexistent. And unless you can recognize or empathize with a character inner conflict then it's nonexistent.
Johnny Lindblom Pretty much this. Daniel, if you missed the point of this video because you were buried in the pointless fights, then the video went right over your head. Rewatch it.
You see, the lack of conflict (which leads to boredom) may be a difficulty to be dealt with, but it's just not a type of conflict. Saitama is set to be the strongest man in his world and he has no room of improvement in the realm of fighting, and since he identifies himself as a hero, all potential conflict as a hero simply cannot exist. Also, I don't see any evidence that he finds real interest in alleviating his solitude and boredom.
Exactly! Like In Episode 1 When He Sounded Suicidal and Depressed Like Kaido From One Piece, Looking For A Way To Kill Himself Because He Cannot Die By The Hands Of Others.
One Punch man is an Online role-playing game. Saitama did the "Basic training regimen" every day for 3 years, and now his character is overpowered as shit. The other players are understandably peeved, but nobody can do anything about him because he legitimately earned that character. Things like the Deep Sea King were Events, or weekly bosses for the entire community to whittle down. Saitama got on late, and one punched the deep sea king, ending the event. That was the final straw, so the team behind the game set up the lord Boreas event, for S rank and above, with an exception for saitama, who had made his account before the class system was introduced (which is why he didn't have a rank at the beginning).
Damn that's actually impressive a theory that logically explains the non-sensical absurdity. I got to give it to you this beats the Saitama is a god theory.
I don't think this video is wrong but it misses the themes that make this show interesting in the first place. everyone in the series wants more strength and power (saitama, genos, dr. genus, boros, tatsumaki, the sea king, king, and so on) and they talk about it a lot, which makes the parts where it doesn't come up the best. the main themes are BRAVERY, and PURPOSE. it makes for the most touching moments in easily the most ridiculous anime ever, it is seeing numen rider go against that devil and not caring if he loses what touches us, it's his unparalleled bravery, and it is saitama really really acknowledging this that kills me. the thing he said, "good job, you should be proud" sounds sarcastic, but consider that it comes from the least sarcastic guy, and the most powerful human being. it really means something, because saitama knows infinite power kills your spirit, it gives him true satisfaction to see that real heroes are still out there, not those who like to punch things, but those who are brave.
Yes, thank you! Finding purpose is a huge theme in this anime (and one reason it's so relatable). Saitama is clearly struggling to figure out where his drive comes from and genuinely respects Mumen Rider, who has passion and real courage (even being ready to sacrifice his life to spare strangers for a few moments).
Are we not gonna talk about the irony of making a video about the dangers of a life of comfort, then advertising a site that promotes comfort by providing access to all major streaming services in one place?
lol Marco, you are no one to discuss the hipocrisy portrayed. you happy now, or do you still need a fucking flowchart? retards, man, seems capitalism is lost in this one hahaha. Marco, are there libraries with economics books in your vicinity? I'm guessing no but there's a chance xD
I know what its suppose to mean, but that's such an overused fortune cookie slogan thrown around mindlessly. There is no journey when you commute to work. Only time spent and the annoyance of other people preventing you from getting to work. Even then, most jobs are only a means to an end. Even so, too many people believe that tedium is some kind of character building adversity that'll make you stronger.
That kinda the point tho. There no journey ina commute to work because a commute to work is a clinical "point to point" way of just ....getting to the destination
@darwinXavier yes. thats correct. its hard to see the forest when we constantly have to look at the trees. and in the case u mentioned, that tree seem to be not part of the forest we are looking for either. :p
I'm sorry, but I have to disagree. I feel like you missed out on some key components. Like the conflict. Especially with the Mumen Rider scene. I don't believe it to be what you called a "dues ex machina" No, it's doesn't follow the standards of an action genre, mostly because thats not what genre it is. We expect the drama and conflict to be physical and upfront, but it isn't. It's emotional and based more subtly in the background. The drama that is built up around the Mumen Rider scene that was mentioned goes beyond the physical fight. Saitama's words to him weren't meant to be sarcastic, Saitama really was happy for his ability to continue to keep fighting even though he was struggling so hard. (And a bit jealous I might add.) Yes, we are used to the conflict being the hero winning against the big baddy, but that isn't what the conflict is based on in this situation. It's based on the people and public personas. Their feelings and opinions being swayed so easily and so very frighteningly fast. It only took one guy to turn a crowd of people just happy to be alive, into an angry mob saying that the heroes didn't do nearly enough to protect them. Saitama took that aggression and quelled it, barring the weight on his own shoulders to be hated by the common people so his friends and fellow heroes wouldn't have their names be dragged in the mud. It teaches us as the viewer that being the hero is about way more than punching hard. It's also about kindness, sacrifice, empathy, and human connections. Saitama is a hero because of this strength of character, not because he can punch hard.
Yeah, the video is half-right. The conflict with with boredom is one of many non-physical conflicts Saitama faces, tries to resolve, and succeeds only partially even after great efforts...
As I said in a previous comment, he didn't even mention the whole Tank Top Masters debacle, and that right there shows how full of nuance Saitama's actions are
loser-by-choice this comment is underrated you deserve more likes probably is the length that prevented its recognition. at least some people still really appreciate it
Thanongrit Suriyarungka This is the most lilkes I've gotten on a comment ever... But thanks man! I'm glad some people liked it at all. I just really love this show.
Yes! I so agree! This scene was hella powerful and cathartic to me! And I personally find the driving theme is questioning herodom - how we see and recognize and define "real heroes".
I've always hated when things drag and drag and buildup for ages. And when characters give us a long boring emotional storyline and won't shut up. So one punch man is like my perfect anime 💚
I don't see it as a narrative without conflict as Saitama's conflict is that he has no conflict, this philosophy is only valid if you view the anime as a straight action/superhero and forget all drama/internal aspects. When Mumen rider approached those bald villains and was cheered on to instantly be knocked out it was played for laughs. So during his confrontation with the Sea king I expected laughs, but it was actually kind of an inspiring moment to see him stand up to him, but I don't think at that point in the series anyone watching expected Mumen rider to win and Saitama to not show up and do his thing. I empathized and rooted more with Saitama, hoping he would finally receive acknowledgement for accomplishing something. Saitama has goals just like any other main character and while he may be perfect in the fighting aspect, he seems to strive for the admiration of the public for being a "true" hero & not what the people of his world consider a hero because he already is just that. I feel like you should've went more in depth on the last part of the video or maybe on the theme of finding one's purpose which is prevalent throughout the series; from Saitama hating his old job, villains not wanting to work to having regular day jobs post-Saitama. It seems to reflect a lot of the creator's journey of having some regular job to successful anime/manga creator. .
Yeah, I agree. This review was just too superficial, and kept harping on that one point endlessly... I was wondering when they were going to highlight how Saitama struggles for recognition from his peers, and then juxtapose it against the apparent ease with which he dispatches his enemies. They could have done an investigation into this repeated use of dramatic irony as a running theme throughout the series. But they never did. Wisecrack also missed the opportunity to look into the true meaning of heroism - exemplified by Saitama's constant saving of people / the world, despite him being misunderstood or even belittled by everyone around him. How did they not think to contrast this with the public adulation Genus receives for being considerably less accomplished? I am disappoint 😟
WMICx There is also the theme of not judging by the cover which i understand happens often in japan, like saitama the original web comic itself has artwork that looks mundane and unimpressive but the story and endering characters are revealed as a hidden gems, most people refuse to accept that saitama is as strong as he is because he doesn't like impressive enough, everyone thinks muman rider can beat the sea king despite a normal guy on a bicycle with a good speach while nobody has faith in saitama, even after he tanks a hit with no obvious harm they ignore the evidence and assume its a fluke even though that had never happened before, even when saitama does win all it take is some fish lipped asshole to move things in the other direction, instead of people seeing saitama as strong they see the other heros as weak for not being able to stop him, which leads saitama to act like a true hero sacrificing hes reputation to prtect the faith in heros and the ultimate good that they do
To me Saitama exists as a sort of Reverse Superman. While Superman is about inspiring people to be heroes in their own right and to do good because he's so powerful yet goes out of his way to help people that it should make people take a look at their own selves and decide to do that to. Saitama however exists as the opposite. Instead of trying to inspire people, the scene with Mumen Rider and the Sea King showcases something. He threw out any praise and glory he might have gotten because it was so easy for him but every other hero got thoroughly beaten and many were near death. If this was a Superman story, Superman would end up as beaten down as the other heroes and in fact the way Sea King is set up is VERY similar to Doomsday in terms of how the story goes. Several heroes show up to stop this unstoppable threat, all of them beaten to within an inch of their lives, and then Superman shows up and even HE'S not enough to fully stop Doomsday and is eventually killed. With Sea King the same thing happens... But the second the "Superman" in question shows up he's down for the count and all is well. With all of this in mind one could argue Saitama TRIES to do what Superman does but in a different way. While Superman is about inspiring hope and selflessness, Saitama could more or less be about inspiring selflessness and humbleness. He's humble enough and selfless enough to give up glory to others who actually earned it with their hard work and who nearly died trying to protect people and while there are a few in the Hero Association who KNOW just how powerful he is the S-Class heroes tend to be kind of arrogant by a strong measure, so take that into account and add Saitama showing humility and humbleness in his goals and view of glory and you have the overall conflict even if it's not stated outright. Humility VS Arrogance, set on the back drop of a man who cannot be defeated but wishes that he could. Going further with Boros who claims to be the strongest in the universe and constantly thinking he can take Saitama down all throughout their fight up until the very last second. Arrogance
But cant you argue that Saitama has more of a social conflict than a physical one? While all other heros in the the world fit nicely into the Hero Organization, Saitama is places into an extremely low hero class due to society not being prepared for his strength. Or how he is the only super hero faced with public ridicule and doubt while every other super hero gets praised and glorified for thier actions. I dont feel Saitama is a hero without conflict here and i feel this video portrays him as such. I feel his Struggles as a character is to be recognized by society as a hero and not some fake that takes credit from the work other people do.
its both he wants a challenge and we want him to be recognised honestly they crossest as goals as that's what most likely the series is building towards
I still don't feel like it's really HIS conflict. He shrugs most of it off and answers with a casual "Don't let it bother you" or "I don't care" he accepts the promotion to B rank not in an attempt to prove something, or over come a conflict his reason is simply "I won't have to reach a quota any more" he recognizes the problems in society but is detached from it himself on a personal level. Instead his blunt and uncaring attitude to most problems ends up with Saitama pointing out the flaws in other people's motivations, thoughts and the society they live in and by easily out classing them it makes them really consider that maybe everything they thought or believed in is actually wrong.
The Hype Station The way I see it, Saitama's internal conflict has arisen because he lacks external conflict. People crave meaning in their life, so when there is no meaning to be found in overcoming external hardships (because there are none), Saitama's mind makes up a conflict within in a desperate measure to bring conflict, and thereby meaning, back into his life.
This definitely missed out on what the show is really about. OPM was meant to subvert the Japanese Super Saiyan genre among many others because of their extremes of drama to the point of tired, time-wasting epic battles that are dragged out to fabricate emotion that we could have gotten in a much shorter span of time. In a world of long expositions and excessive character arcs and egos the size of planets, Saitama's worries are much more HUMAN where his power is not. He's RELATABLE in that his issues are tied to how he'll pay for dinner and rent, how people perceive him, how he needs to remember how to find joy in doing what he loves, and what he believes heroism to be vs. the selfish sensationalist gimmick it's become. OPM is about finding hope and joy and something to believe in in a world of boredom, selfishness and cynicism. You see that in the way Saitama would rather put faith in the heroes who stood up to the Sea King even at the cost of his own reputation, how he lights up at Mumen Rider's kindness and takes care of Genos and looks after the wellbeing of others. It's about having fun in the things everybody takes too seriously. Thinking OPM lacks in conflict really misses the spirit of the show or any of its--well, very real, very human, very relatable conflicts, most of which are seen in Saitama rather than in the side characters.
Well said. OPM opens with a few arcs that offer to really explore the human behind the Super Saiyan, but unfortunately it falls into filler where the show spends time developing minor characters that offer little to the narrative except filler until Saitama himself becomes a remote figure who brings little to the story except to clean up the mess everyone is in. He starts off subverting the genre, then ends up being the reliable Deus Ex Machina. The final episode stars a character that resembles Saitama in a lot of respects: He just wants a good fight. And he happens to have been bothered by this itch for quite a bit longer than Saitama has. There's an interesting concept to explore in how Saitama's power might corrupt him as it did the villain, but unfortunately that simply is not explored.
Well said. Although I just started this anime, I think the strongest point of is premise is that it parodies the over-drama in anime conflicts. I commented a reply to the video recently, but I should have read your response first. Perhaps OPM pulled a prank on us, thinking there was something deeper than what it actually is. OPM is enjoyable because it is simple and relatable.
I was about to comment the same thing yet this is just perfect and very nicely phrased. I not only think that OPM wants to make fun of the entertainment medium for over-exaggerating fictional conflicts, but also of how society and media respond to real-life problems. I think we should all practice a bit of stoicism in our lives so we won't be so frantic when shit happens to us (of c we don't need to be as extreme as Saitama). Even though the video completely misses this point, I think it still did a good job at conveying an opposite point of view. So let's not completely dismiss the idea that struggles give life purpose.
@ahdan prasetyo same writer. And no... Mob psycho dont get this excited (i tried).one punch man is just... Well, i dont know how else to put it....deeper
@ahdan prasetyo there is also this giant question mark. How? How can he do that. And the trickiest part is, somewhere there inside, we actually dont want to know. We want heroes to be perfect = powerful. And saitama and the mystery, give that to us. Still, the author can only linger around that question for so long. I frickin love this show, but I am also afraid for the answer. Superman got lucky with the cryptonite, achilles and hes heels. Will saitama author take same route? Or hang the question till it dry, and oh boy will it dry. Idk, i guess for now... All we fans can do is enjoy the show.
@@firapuroki4571 what if that scientist and his clones start doing the 100 pushups situps and squats. Now he has an army of one punch men. Could be a good twist
But i think that the show, well, more precisely the manga, IS gearing people for a sort of catharsis. A lot of time in recent battles the main expectation is not for hero to win, like in other media, but for hero to _show up_.
+Kutlu Misrak Wait, if Saitama is one shot at the end of the series, all that means is that he didn't look hard enough for an opponent. Wouldn't that change the premise of the series from "Guy who is too strong" to "Strong guy who is too lazy/stupid to find the other guy who is stronger than him, so he thinks he's too strong." Also it wouldn't be funny. Sure, no one'd expect it, but that doesn't make it funny. To me, the whole series was simply a parody character in a serious shonen world. The reason he is too strong is because it's funny. No serious character can beat him because he is following a completely different story from theirs. The other characters try "Oh, I'll power up, I'll train, I'll get smarter and wiser, my buddies and I will team up, etc..." There is no realistic way to beat him, the only way he could lose is in an unrealistic way, like you said, with a Deus ex Machina.
XD #Truth. Honestly, I don't think we need challenges to enjoy life. Too many people think we do because of the conditioning of society. If everything were automated and all that was left for us was to have fun, we would be fine. After all minecraft's creative mode isn't hard but its still enjoyable.
Do You Know Why Most People Hate Privileged People/Kids, It's Because They Have No Conflict In Their Lives and Have Millions of Dollars and Do Not Appreciate It Or Cannot Handle Simple Problems Like How To Get Money or Build Meaningful Connections Because They Had Everything Handed To Them. This Is What Happens When There is No Conflict In Life, You Become Mute To All Good Things In Life.
Personally, when the Rider stepped up to the Sea King, I already knew that he'd lose... And I was internally screaming "WHERE THE F*CK IS SAITAMA?????"... And when he got that and said the... "Good fight", I almost cried. That's because... Saitama not only gets there to save the day, he also saves the Mumem Rider while acknowledging his bravery... Just like we do. This is similar to Takamura from Hajime no Ippo, even thought it would be interesting if he would struggle, the world of One Punch Man can get so f*cked up that you honestly hope that, not only Saitama wins, but you also hope that he DESTROYS the enemies as quickly as possible, because we don't want to see the other characters (cool or lame) to die against the villain. We get to see the struggle and hopelessness in every other character in the story... And when Saitama gets there a magic moment of "THANK GOD" is one of the most rewarding feelings you can get from any kind of media.
(For those disagreeing and missing the point especially on the Sea King "arc") He didn't call it a *Deus Ex Machina* he simply stated that in most typical genres, that is what you'd consider it to be, but the series takes typical troupes and runs with them in very unique ways, either parodying them or turning them on their head to invoke new thoughts or differing perspectives of what we're used to in society. Saitama telling Mumen rider "good job" wasn't sarcastic, but it also arguably holds very little weight in the grand scheme of things. As he said in the video earlier, we know how the story will progress. We know that eventually Saitama would arrive and save the day(Deus Ex Machina) It had also been established that Mumen Rider is pretty underwhelming so we expect nothing from him. His speech and the crowd cheering him on does two things. 1. It portrays the story of the underdog and we root for the underdog because we see ourselves in them. 2. It heightens the cathartic effect we feel when Rider gets put down. Saitama was genuine in complimenting him, and in return we later get a nice moment of Mumen Rider giving thanks by having a meal with him, but as shown beforehand multiple times, Saitama's very presence undermines traditional conflict. Genos, Puri Puri Prisoner, Mumen Rider and several other heroes fought tooth and nail to defeat the Sea King, they struggled, there was conflict, and we empathized with that, only for Saitama to come and deal with the conflict in one swing. I do agree that the crowd mob mentality during that scene is of note but it doesn't disprove or delegitimise the premise of the world without conflict theme, it simply introduces another one. The perception of these heroes and Saitama is an element in the series all on it's own separate of the underlying theme which is what was discussed here.
I'd say it's more pointing towards the stupidity of those who constantly rely on experiencing these emotions in order to be satisfied. Genus thinks he's created the pinnacle of lifeforms because he spent so long on the attempt after being so bitterly rejected by his peers and his perception of humans being pathetic creatures unworthy of continuing to exist. Only to be let down by one punch. What does he do? He gives up and opens a food stall. More than a lifetime of work towards perfection, leading to the evolution of the most powerful being he can imagine, put to rest by the status quo of some random guy. It's not unlike what people do every single day. They have their little moral codes, careers, volunteer work, certifications, degrees, perceived accomplishments, and they call that validation of success. That money shot of enjoyment people rely on to get that daily dose of dopamine coursing through their brain telling them "me do good, me happy", all pointless. And yet every time Saitama crosses paths with someone, does he tell them to give up and kill themselves as there's no point in living because it's so boring at the top? No, he encourages them to never stop improving. To keep training no matter what. To keep fighting even when you feel like shitting your organs out through a straw. Why? Keep asking that. Especially the next time you decide to feel so wonderful about what is by far a mundane achievement in your life, or the next time you feel any motivation to go make some emotional rant about something that happened in your day on Facebook. It doesn't matter. You don't matter. You are a worthless piece of shit who is outclassed in every way, every day. And you're limiting your own potential by not realizing that.
There's actual conflict with saitama's character but it's more internal and societal / social based. He gained all his power but at the cost of his emotions and his hair. Which most likely is a reference to him reaching a level of enlightenment where is powers are beyond the physical and emotional Spectrum. The rest has to do with his place in society compared to all the other heroes & the monsters. Due to lack of recognition for what he's actually done before he joined. And his money standpoint which is the reason why he took on Genoes as a student / sidekick. And finally I leave you with this saitama is a parody of OG Superman the one that couldn't fly.
Here I figured OPM's power and lack of drama was commentary on the typical battle anime protag who (in most situations) cannot and will not use and pointlessly long fights are done in an attempt to try and create drama even though we ALL know that they're going to win, usually in some special technique. I mean look at Bleach, Inuyasha, etc... Like yeah, we know you're going to win. You don't have to spend 17 episodes depicting 5 minutes... One Punch Man cuts straight tot he punch and just ends the fight immediately instead of insulting the audience's intelligence and then weaves this into the story.
It's not always like that though. Especially in recent years. More media has main characters that die or get seriously injured and lose than in the past. At least it feels like that.
The Dub version is anti-climatic. The sub you can actually sense Saitama struggling with the conflict of not feeling satisfied. But I guess the issue of Sub and Dub is left to personal taste.
The Berserker Armor would probably just retain whatever form it had before being worn. It requires the user to get injured. Since Saitama can't really get injured, the Berserker armor can't actually do anything for him. Even the mental stuff probably wouldn't have an effect on Saitama. On the off chance that it would, then a Berserker Saitama would pretty much be an act of god.
***** Actually the Berserker Armor isn't susceptible to simple damages. If it has a major dent, it will reshape back to normal. If it got melted, again it reshape itself back. After all, this mythical suit is one of the most powerful charms that witch Flora has with its primary ability to remove pain from its wearer.
I find the times where saitama coming in to save the day really exciting. he has an appeal to the story that when the other main characters are struggling to fight their enemy, you get hyped up and anticipate the time Saitama one shots them. just the natural reaction was like "man, the monster was super strong, only to get swatted by this guy so fast?" you just start laughing and cheering for saitama every time this type of this happens.
You say, Saitama is boring, while in contrast I would say he is a very interesting guy, how he didn't get an S class rank from the start of his hero career and how he struggles to achieve S class is really good plot. How he kills his every opponent with one punch, pretty much concludes that you don't need thousands of episodes to watch to get same satisfactory result and also you save lots of your personal time...
Did you see what he did to the moon by jumping? And then add the fact that calculations have shown that he was able to reach relativistic speeds by jumping... One thing is certain, this man did not skip leg day. Kick or Punch, the outcomes the same.
Seitama gets his powers from a literal interpretation of the "10,000 hour rule" and leveling mechanics from RPGs. Seitama spent every waking minute of the past 3 years training to become like his favorite superhero who could beat his enemies in one punch. So that's what he became. Likewise, the reason Mumen Rider doesn't improve is because being the best C-class hero is exactly what he wants to be. Can't level if you're not gaining XP. Dr. Genus was the same way, dedicating 50 years to uncovering and mastering the secrets of DNA and evolution before he regained his youth and cloned himself. In the first season of the anime, these are the only two characters shown to have "fire in their eyes." Other than Garou, no other character I can think of in the show gains superpowers without using some external means and the results are always imperfect. Even Genos constantly relies on upgrades from the Professor to enhance his powers. Meanwhile most of the monsters are some sort of Eldritch Abomination with little to no humanity to begin with.
I feel like you guys were way off on this... Saitama is driven by people throughout the entire story. Even his first moment of heroism was based on an instinct he didn't even know he had (saving the prankster child) and most of the scenarios that he gets himself mixed up in are because of Genos and other characters he forms relationships with. The only time you ever see his character smiling is when he's with the company of his friends or protecting them. I think the point the show was trying to convey was that regardless of how powerful you are the true problem comes from feeling alone.
I deny that extremely as he is always annoyed when others are around. He's also always bored regardless, but does things cause he's dragged into it, but he's still not happy.
Naw. He gets quite a sum of kicks whenever he shows off around people. No pun intended on punches and kicks, I mean like psychological kicks. www.macmillandictionary.com/us/dictionary/american/get-your-kicks-from-something
a lot of triggered millennials/hipsters/SJWs trying hard to rationalize an argument against this videos comment about conflict, the mental gymnastics is hilariously entertaining to read.
You know, I believe the Matrix addressed this, too. The original version of the Matrix (in the movie) failed because the people couldn't stand living in an ideal world, so they based it on the 90's instead. Power issue resolved.
I thought that the aspect of the story ONE wanted us to fixate on was the fact that even though Saitama is overpowered, he still isn't a good hero or recognized by people. I thought that we were meant to root for Saitama to become an inspiring hero who is praised by the public. I'm not dismissing this video, I just thought that that was the point of the story. Great vid btw, love this channel.
Toyosi Adesina Yeah it's was kinda of a cockblock when those people diss him after he beat the Sea King. I was like Saitama was almost gonna be recognised by the public but come on why did you hero block us
its both he wants a challenge and we want him to be recognised honestly they crossest as goals as that's what most likely the series is building towards
a user has no name he sacrificed his standing to save the reputation of his fellow heroes. Which is like Genos' self destruct sequence. Saitama put his wants and needs aside to help build up the others who fought the sea king and his sacrifice made me want to root for him more.
Ehh, I disagree with the whole, "only a life with conflict is a life with meaning." Actually, I vehemently disagree with that! The catharsis of One Punch Man is as follows... Of course it's a hilarious satire, but it still works as a drama. Throughout the show, it demands from Saitama that the risk and thrill of conflict is gone. So meaning must be found elsewhere. Such as with Genos as a student/friend or the Mumen Rider as a buddy. When he defeats the Deep Sea King, he could've taken the glory from the win as he earned it. But when the reputations of the other heroes were at stake (because of the fish-lipped asshole in the crowd.) He gave that praise away to the other heroes, even if it meant he would receive shame and spite instead. Now if that isn't heroic, then I don't know what is... Bottom line, I love this show not only for it's satirical approach to anime/superhero tropes. I love it because it forces everyone to look for other sources and greater sources of meaning, beyond violence and arrogance (aka conflict).
Sir Mattomaton No you're quite wrong in that. Because a being without conflict is a God. Think about it you must experience conflict one way or another, just imagine not having to breath or eat or do anything at all. That's no conflict.
Sir Mattomaton You really don't understand the meaning of "0 conflicts" do you ? While I do agree with your point of OPM being a show about hero(the slogan is "I'm a hero for fun") but I very much disagree with your dislike on a life with conflicts. The damn thing is humanity nature itself, to take away conflict is to make humans not humans. Imagine it, by just setting your eye on a goal you can walk there with 0 obstacles, to live making 0 mistakes, to have 0 fears, that isn't even living anymore. Saitama himself even for all his power still have conflicts, as he still have to worries over little things, like will he have enough money to pay his bills, or will he catches the next sale and even then he is still bored absolutely out of his mind. So just imagine it, a being without conflicts is a being without drive, humanity -while as scared of conflicts as it is- yearn for it at the same time. Just imagine it, let's say perfect geniuses, they are "perfect"(even more than usual in this example) they can accomplish feats that either make or break your mind, they can never fail, they will never face any obstacles, you can't imagine that of course, it's impossible, how about we compare it to something that is similar to it, hmmm........ Oh ! Look at that rock (or whatever is the inanimate object near you), its life has 0 meaning because it has 0 conflicts(it can't experience them because it lack the means to do so). Now apply that to a human(but instead of lacking it's just that no conflicts can affect said human being) and you will get a being that has 0 conflicts, they literally stop being someone and just turn into something.
Arguing semantics.... You're using "conflict" in a very broad term. Conflict is opposition between 2 or more opposing forces. Even with internal conflict, there are often 2 or more different ideas/values a character wrestles with. What you are suggesting is a character that's going through struggles, or having to over come obstacles. That I can agree. Such difficulties do add meaning and weight to the plot and the character in question.
Sir Mattomaton Indeed, although my view of conflicts is much wider than most people would like, I still think that the view is correct. To me in fiction, conflicts no matter how small is still rather amusing, like Saitama's problem with money for example being an obstacle toward his daily life. That's why when you said you disagree with the "no conflicts mean not a life" that get me mad. OPM's most powerful point is that you don't need grand "conflicts" like saving the world to feel fulfillment, it's through the bond you make with your friend that is what matters. You can actually see that when Saitama interacts with his friends, he expressed much more emotion than he would fighting a grand enemy.
+leon bushnell I would think they would more likely explore the subversive side of the group as a whole. They were terrorists technically while under the name ISIS, then they were hired by the CIA and then Drug Runners and then back to "Spying" and the most recent season being a dreamland. Everything that has taken place within the show is based on real events, most of it anyway. And most of the things they have done have been proven to have been done by the CIA in the past. The show definately uses it's incredible wit and banter to overlay this stuff.
One Punch is unique for a lot of reasons but the normal catharsis that we look for in typical stories is replaced by Saitamas longing for a challenge. He always accepts a fight because he’s still looking for a place where he can find a worthy opponent, but for the most part his struggles are that which no one else can relate to. You see how upset how he gets when he is just trying to shop, how he thinks he’s going to miss coupon day or that someone broke his ceiling. He just spent three years training after realizing no one would hire him. Now all his hard work still makes his day to day unrewarding. He can’t relate to anyone. Everyone’s got a purpose but Saitama. For the audience, our reward isn’t seeing Saitama defeat everything in his way, it’s us seeing Saitama help those around him in his search for a worthy opponent.
But wait. Isn't Saitimo's lack of conflict a conflict in and of itself? Since Saitimo is so bored with being superpowerful and has no motivation, his motivation for being a hero is to try and find a villain that he hopes will be a challenge aka conflict. That is to say his conflict is the lack conflict and the search for it. Which would mean he has a conflict and thus found it already... which means that he is looking for the thing he has but does not know it... which means he will have to give his kid up to be a witcher... which means cd project red has become too powerful and will go bald.. which means... which means; OMG ROGAINE IS GOING TO TAKE OVER ALL THE VIDEO GAMES!... or am I thinking about this too hard?
he does have an existential crisis, but in the manga he talks to King about heroism and King tells him it's not about power but responsibility. Saitama cracks a smile and shrugs, while inadvertently kicking the villain of the week into a wall.
the whole animation is just like a description of the society. Living in a society that contains lies, greediness, with people that want to seek power at all cost, etc, don't let others affect you. Enhance yourself, force yourself to be the best, just like the old saitama who train hard, then no matter how others affect you, challenge you, disagree you, you can still stand up and won't fall, and become as 'overpowered' as saitama, as 'strong' as saitama. (sorry for my poor english) I think there are still other meanings in the animation, but this could be the main message.
Amazing insight as always Mr Wisecrack. There's also another characteristic of One-punch man that I find worth mentioning which is their satire on how our society has the need to bureaucratize every little aspect of life, where heroes can only be so if they register to a corporation that ranks them and put them to an Adam Smith-like specific tasks, taking the enjoyment of being a hero and making it a joyless profession. With so many bureaucratic procedures it became a somewhat corrupt organization that eventually lost its own essence, like many enterprises that begin with a good and honest desire of making good but end up as bad as the others due to white collar interventions. I'd love to watch a video about that.
João Renz Piovan I too find it fascinating that the show used the superhero genre to comment on how corporatism is bad by making something as awesome as saving the world into a boring competitive thankless day job.
Right? It's genial, they talk about that in a very subtle way, they slowly evolved our understanding of the Hero Association and they don't focus a lot on it, they have two cases of loss of joy, from saitama's uber power to organizations trying to organize what we do and take the joy out of it, like faith vs religion, hobby vs job, etc.
A few months ago I fought in my first amateur mma match. I lost in the first round by TKO. Sure it sucked to lose like that in front of my friends and family. and thankfully I didn't have any injuries that didn't heal within a few days. But now every training session has a new sense of purpose and excitement. I could let that loss keep me down but I knew I had to get back up and keep trying. I know if I work hard I'll get better. Thinking about how if I won that fight with little effort training wouldn't be as fun like now. That conflict and failure allowed me to experience a whole new meaning to working hard. It's strange to imagine getting so strong that training has no meaning and doesn't bring any excitement. That I probably wouldn't want to get out of bed because it won't matter if I train or not. So the next time I fight and hopefully win, it's because I earned it. Giving all that time spent meaning. And as much as it is to try and self improve I love the bond I've made with my teammates. Because we're all working hard to get better. Facing our hardships and failures together. Another amazing video by you guys because it asks the question what is life like when everything is WAY TOO easy. That everything becomes too boring and nothing can surprise you. So each thing we face we do our best to keep learning and keep moving forward.
Something that's really interesting on One Punchman which wasn't mentioned was how society reacts to Saitama, which I find really interesting. We, as the viewers, are able to see Saitama and what he's doing but the society isn't, which causes them to dismiss him, ignore his feats and doubt him. He's been saving lives before he became a "real hero" and yet no one knew about him, in most cases it has to do with the lack of public when he's doing these things but on the exam and the fight with the sea king we can clearly see that people can't believe that he's that strong and go with the most reasonable reaction which is to distrust him. This is what makes him relatable and makes us cheer for him, we see someone who isn't been treated justly, someone who is clearly out of everyone league and yet is distrusted and hated, someone who no one takes seriously and has the problems you've mentioned. This is why I find this series so amusing, because the author was able to find a way for us to care about a character who shouldn't have any problems at all that we shouldn't be able to relate.
I completely agree. It seems that society cannot accept the fact that someone with a power like Saitama exists, and even though they had witness what he can do, they just reject the notion, and instead treat him like a cheater, or some asshole who likes to take credits from other heroes
I end up rooting for Saitama every time and I get that cathartic release at the end *because* of the build up towards the final punch. Then again this is all moot because I am 100% sure that ONE never meant for OPM to be "deep". Mob Psycho 100 is supposed to be his actual serious work.
james d you should rewatch the series and read the manga or webcomics there were manny emotional serious moments (I recommend the special manga charpter with the police idk which that is)
james d ONE never meant for One Punch Man to be deep? Sure, he was a "mangaka for fun" and just drew it at first for s**** and giggles. But as soon as ONE introduces the Hero Association, the series is split. The famous joke, the One Punch, is still in effect, but the rest of the world, basically a serious shonen, starts rolling. Amai Mask is mystery. A few executives see Saitama's strength but decide to watch him climb the ranks. Many S-Class heroes are unwilling to save millions of innocent lives from a meteor. Metal Knight doesn't value human life at all. Mumen Rider and other heroes show themselves willing to lay down their lives in defense of humanity. The most powerful hero S-Class Rank 1 Blast is missing. An alien warlord attacks Earth because he seeks meaning in his life. These features are no laughing matter.
most important thing I love in OPM is that he breaks out of this stereotype "power corrupts" because he is the most powerful being but he is so innocent and never uses his power in wrong way.
Isn't the feeling of boredom from lack of diversity a struggle in and of itself for a person to get a sense of self actualization? Freed from other distractions people are like children, always in awe of the infinite wonder in the world, always itching to express their ideas, and achieve their dreams. Do you think Medieval people had daydreams, or do you think people want to invest if the world is too chaotic to guarantee they will be around to reap the return on the investment? Its because we have less and less challenges that we can progress in the finer areas of life like are and entertainment.
I think the point was more that struggling to do something gives it more personal value and that many people these days don't seem to want to make something personal. If I give you a ring its just a ring. If you worked hard to get the metal, Melt it down and shape it into a ring it has more sentimental value even if its not as good as the ones you can buy. The idea is that Struggle/conflict builds contrast in our lives of which we can determine the shape of our character. Some say that in our day and age we don't have all the struggles they had and in turn don't see the same highs and lows. I'd say that both your statement and their statement are crude simplifications.
Nicholas Bonasoro Very true! The reason why people are able and willing to create entertainment in the first place is because they're not too busy fighting for survival all of the time. However, I think the point the video is making is not that we should throw away our technology and go back to living how our ancestors did centuries ago, but rather that we should find a happy balance.
Actually King himself lectures Saitama about the same thing. Spoiler kinda? Saitama confesses to him in the manga all about how he's bored to be overpowered and lacking challenge. King just asks him if he's tried something else in his life. Some other way in wich he can improve or be defeated "Like Videogames" Saitama says he can't feel emotion by victory or defeat in something like a videogame to wich King, with a smug face, tells him that he will defeat Saitama using only two fingers, wich manages to anger Saitama, who screams "I will crush you this time!"
I don't like this episode. You spend a lot of time talking about why One Punch Man has to be boring, but never get to why it is not. As in you did not say anything about the struggle of Saitama in the hero association. You might think that it is not philosophy, but it is: the show states that even if we get over our natural problems like food and shelter we still will have other problems we can spend our time on instead or we will at least create them. I believe that people currently say that they get less satisfaction from live than before just haven't found their other problems they can work around.
He did say why it was not boring. The supporting characters play the role of the typical hero, they struggle and thats where we get our action and emotion from. Then Saitama comes up and the bad guy dies.
I dont think Saitama has any struggle in the hero association and his point still stand, plus yours. Saitama has no interest in being a S class hero, he didn't motivate by the ladder climbing in the Association so it's not a struggle. If any thing, it's a struggle of the lack or realization of the civ around him. And he seem to not mind it that much. More than any thing it's us that frustrate by it. Actually, he never said One Punch Man is boring, but said Saitama is bored. It's a great story, about a character who is bored with his life. And the book and the philosophy is about ideal - meaning it's not real. Ofcourse you'll never be in the position of lack of conflict. It's real life, you'll never running out of conflict. But the point is to be grateful of the conflict that we're dealing with, because with out it, life is meaningless.
What i like is that as Saitama's story goes, he meets and makes friends. Take Genos for example. A disciple, yes, but its good to have someone to socialize with.
Uh not really, he kind of just pointed out metaphors that were already pretty prevalent at least to me (save for the mosquito woman part) and he only talked about the first 3 episodes. I really wouldn't say it was brilliant, though I love Bill Burr.
7:05 "Every creative writing student learns early in their education to avoid this kind of narrative bailout." Can someone please send this bit to Reki Kawahara?
That's not what Deus Ex Machina means. Really, it's not. It requires a previously unknown element to appear to solve the conflict. If a story previously introduces or establishes that something could resolve a conflict, either explicitly or implicitly, then if that particular story element does resolve the conflict, then it doesn't count as a Deus Ex Machina. So the fact that we know Saitama is a thing from the beginning, any time he just shows up and wins a fight effortlessly excludes him from counting as such.
Think about how it appears to the characters, he is a Deus Ex Machina in their world. He comes out of no where, and instantly solves a seemingly unsolvable problem. He is very much that, when you look at how the characters are developed to have absolutely 0 reason to believe he can stop them, he is a literal walking Deus Ex Machina, not for the viewers, but the world itself.
Brandon Anderson You're so right! I view it as a perfect metaphor for the military industrial complex and capitalism's tendency to encourage the concentration of wealth into the hands of the few at the expense of countless human lives.
Saitama one punching enemies don't make the show boring because it makes the side characters (such as genos) grow. And the way he one shot 'em while the others are struggling is hilarous.
Please do not refer to me as any sort of "hater" or some other slang term adopted by the world for the following statement. The majority of this video was not philosophy, it was literature examination. Philosophic conversations in this example would have been about the meaning of power or the limits of human will, not the complexity of story arcs and narrative troupes.
I'm 3 episodes into season 1, watching subtitled. Watching this makes me mostly happy I'm watching it non-dubbed, but some of these clips were better dubbed. Mostly the "DAMNNN ITTTTTTTT"s.
I was thinking exactly the same thing. It came to a peak at the point where saitama holds mumen rider after the Sea King clobbers him. It's not -all- anime, but some are definitely weird when the voice acting affects the personality of the character in such a different fashion. The Japanese voice acting of saitama is so much less cavalier about everything. He's like, melancholy.
"Be grateful for your pain and suffering; it gives life meaning..." I used to be called weak, then I started working out a lot and that was solved. I used to want friends, now I have so much that i'm trying to find alone time. I used to suck at talking to women and wish I was good, now I can and could care less. I used to hate my job, so I started online entrepreneurship and love it. All of this is cool and all but most of the time I kinda sit around and wonder, what is life?? Shit, I even studied philosophy so much that that was blown out of the water. Once you achieve everything you want, you intentionally try to make things harder or different to feel growth. Now I find myself doing random ass shit like organizing things for no reason, approaching random girls in public and getting their contacts 24/7 for fun, learning flips without caring about getting hurt, and learning math when I previously wouldn't touch it. Just be grateful for your struggle. Its better than facing the void. The pain in life is a gift in itself.
I find a lot wisdom in Saitama’s concern with the everyday obstacles of life and the genuineness of his famous “I’m a guy who’s a hero for fun.” catch phrase. He’s so purely simple while everyone around him is achingly complicated that it’s kind of inspiring. To me his impeccably chill and nonchalant attitude compared to the other characters around him is part of what this show is about. While everyone is so caught up in their own drawn out personal conflicts, becoming the strongest, or taking over the world; he takes things day by day. More interested in saving money, watering plants, or playing games. To me he’s the Lebowski of anime heroes.The narrative that people always have to have some sort of deep motive in how they pursue life can be tiring. Also I just love how he exposes others for being naive or disrespectful, and while even though he’s immensely stronger than everyone else - at the end of the day he’s just a dude who minds his own business and treats others as he’d like to be treated.
I loved this video! But I'm curious, does One Punch Man have anything to say about Morality? Why do people make moral decisions? What is the line that makes a person good? I would love to see a video that discusses this!
focusing on "experiencing the joy of life by overcoming harsh situation" is forgetting why we chose to go to a somewhat boring life: avoiding death or pushing death away. it's easy for philosopher to theorize to reclaim the fun of survival versus the everyday life but most people would die right away without society. People who experiment danger for fun know they can come back to safety. Hardship, fear, and danger without safety or chances of rest and comfort isn't exhilarating, it's constant mental and physical pain. Thus, it's hard for us (bored by mundane life) to really understand living in war and immigration. War refugees face obstacles and conflict so it's good for storytelling but many (of any ages) dies and are forgotten. They crave our boredom. we can't forget that. Conflict is the salt of life if you can afford a steak.
Thanks, I was looking for this - it felt very simplistic to say that life is meaningless without overcoming obstacles when some are clearly unimaginably worse than others.
Except, ALL of our ancestors dealt with extreme toil, pain and suffering in order for us to have the luxury of comfort today. Wars, economic depression, Slavery, famine and disease. Without them struggling to succeed we have nothing as a result. Nothing in technology, medicine, food, invention. Without pain, there is no peace. We as progeny are a product of that struggle. The less we have the more are kids will. So, yes, life is pain and suffering. Unless you strive through it to give it purpose, it's meaningless.
Thanks for all the comments, guys! Quick note on the English dubs: we use dubbed versions since they're much easier to edit with. They also make cutaways way easier to understand. But let's see if we can do original Japanese next time. Is that what y'all prefer?
Usually it'd be fine, but with One Punch Man the Japanese voice acting lends a lot of depth to the characters and ends up making the show a lot more than just a comedy/parody, whereas the dub is a bit rubbish and makes the characters seem a lot less nuanced and likeable than they really are.
I would love Sub! But if it's easier Dub then I don't mind Still watch you guys no matter what lol
dub is fine. sub people are elitist
Wisecrack Personally, I generally prefer dubbed I'd the dub exists. Also, it makes way more sense when making a video in the style you guys use.
The Martians in War of the Worlds died from the bacteria because that's how it happened in the book.
The only thing I disagree with in this analysis are Saitama's words to Mumen Rider after the Sea King fight. He wasn't being dismissive, he was genuinely impressed Rider took the guy on despite knowing he stood zero chance. He really meant it when he said "You should be proud."
Tinandel who cares if he was dismissive or genuine, I think dismissive because he’s supposed to be funny.
I blame the English dub for that. It came across way more genuine to me in Japanese in terms of his tone.
Also let's not forget that mumen rider is honestly pretty tough and for a normal guy he really held out for longer than you would expect. Without him there the sea king might have killed many of the civilians before saitama got there...
That had a ton of catharsis for me. After watching this monster run a train on all these guys, some of who I really liked, and then even Mumen Rider. Just a dude trying to do his best and protect people. When Saitama shows up the payoff is the knowledge that this monster who was on the verge of killing everyone and beat the stuffing out of all those heroes is about to get his ass kicked.
@@PorcelainPrincess weebz as normal trying to find reasons to shit on the dub
Mumen Rider is an amazing character.
He’s just a man on a bike. He _knows_ he’s just a man on a bike. But he constantly tries to stand up to insanely powerful villains.
Mumen Rider is humanity. We keep trying to outwit nature but we can't. Nature's "just too strong".
Dx Fire tell me liked your own shit comment.
Dx Fire trans girls have been allowed to compete in female competitions for DECADES. And only now they are starting to win in some.
How many ones have you seen in the olympics?
They don’t have an advantage, since they literally get rid of the testosterone. But conservatives like to turn every situation into a hate spreading shitshow. Just like you did, this video has absolutely nothing to do with trans people, but your sheer hate of those different made you link every possible bad thing to them.
@@Kiirxas but still their muscle density is not that of a girl, imagine a girl taking testosterone for years and then quits it and says it's fair to compete with other girls, hey dipshit that's why steroids are banned in athletic competitions, do you actually believe that those muscles that have been subjected to fucking steroids are the same to that of normal ones and where tf did you get that bullshit about trans girls competing with women for decades the first case was in 1975 that's not so long ago and let's be honest here trans girls are just men with mutilated penises
Maybe he will break his limiter too. like Saitama
"Ever tried playing Mortal Kombat with you Mom?Yeah, it's not fun."
Yeah tell me about it. She keeps kicking my ass....
Ruyeman is she thelegend27? sorry, dead meme
This chain is awesome. thank you
+Ruyeman The MVC2 Demo really drove home how bad I am at fighting games, while my mom is unable to walk around in a 3D 3rd person game, she kicked my butt simply by mashing buttons! You're either have a natural ability for fighting games or you don't!
Then I tried that free to play Tekken game, only match I ever won was against one of my friends when they went AFK.
You can start a new anime - "One Kick Mum" :D
Ruyeman I'm envious.
The philosophical aspect for this show can be deep if analyzed. The manga portrays different characteristics of society, such as corruption, the best examples of corruption is the Hero Association and how they treat rankings, heroes and profit. Saitama on the other hand was just a regular guy, who attained beyond godlike power, but it came with a price. Saitama even said that he sacrificed a portion of his humanity such as emotions. This anime/manga is brilliantly written.
Just Some Guy without a Mustache Imagine having to be qualified in order to be a hero. Saitama has definitely made me question this.
Hello
Just Some Guy without a Mustache ah u again.
I think Garou and Saitama are very similar and yet complete opposites. Garou extends his abilities to new heights always working forward and getting progressively stronger. Saitama stuck in the same regimen until he became essentially god. Even their clothes and bodies are opposites of one another. Garou has large spiky hair, sharp eyes, insane body and dressed in dark colors. Meanwhile Saitama is bald, has empty eyes, wears unimpressive clothing and always just seems sorta out of it. Though I think they’re still very similar. They act as the effects of society on people and how they interpret it in their life. They strive for similar goals, though in opposing ways and act as breakdowns of the Shōnen genre differently. Garou never stops as he destroys himself physically and mentally, like the a-typical Shonen mc. Meanwhile Saitama has completed his training, doesn’t fight anymore and is for all extensive purposes, retired. They both oppose the hero association in some way. Garou actively hates and wants to kill heroes left and right. Break down society and restart it. While Saitama sort of did that. He’s surpassed EVERYONE and is just bored with his mediocre existence as without fighting anyone, he’s become a mirror of Garou’s future self. Just some guy whose done everything and surpassed the ailing system. My god this is long. Sorry. I’m sure there’s plenty I missed out. Correct me if you want or just ignore. I don’t care, really.
@@arigat-o9670 opm is a seinen not a shonen
I don't think Saitama congratulating Mumen Rider on his fight was supposed to sound as condescending or "anti-climactic" as it comes off in the English dub. He sounds a lot more sincere in the original. He meant it and surely envied Mumen Rider for his passion and bravery. It was actually a very profound moment which again, as others have pointed out, focused on Saitama's humanity and internal struggle.
It didn't come across as condescending in English at all.
Thst is the reason why onegotta see them on the original..subs say the words, original speech tells the feelings...
@@ForestSakan one punch man has a really great dub though. The voice actors did amazing.
most dub actors are so shit honestly
No, feel like people just give the sub a pass because they can't understand it.
Wow this is way to deep for me.
I'm just a guy that watches One Punch Man for fun.
TWENTY WORDS OR LESS!
I just started the series; I am 3 episodes in. I like it so far!
ONE PUNCH MAN IS LIFE!😇
Saitama conflict is lack of conflict
This is it the
answer ive been looking for the perfect interpretation for the notion.
Saitama >all
I forgot who said it but here's the quote: "The greatest conflict my friend is peace without any conflict."
Saitama's true conflict is paying rent
My favourite part is were satima.. Gets upset about missing a sale on saturday when hes in the middle of a fight with carnage kabuto... Not worried about how hell go on a killing spree for a full week...😂😂
Today is... BARGAIN DAY AT THE SUPERMARKET!
👍👍👍👍 Same.
Sarah Meow Meow master if we hurry we can still make it!
he actually does have a mission: to have a good battle
And to rid the world of mosquitos
Maybe later on on saitama life he finds battling isn't what he wanted.
Alpha 7even yeah maybe just maybe he would find joy in working part time on a local seven eleven.
And get his hair back
The thing is... Saitama specifically wanted a good fight... he's an adrenaline junkie. So it wasn't the fact that growing too strong would be boring, but that for an adrenaline junkie, he lost all danger...
if only everyone trained like saitama the avengers would have beat thanos a long time ago
No one's going to want to see a bald Thor or Captain America.
Saitama:what did you said?
sheikh Rian Rahman *say*
@@mrlowkey4187 autocorrect*
Even a single saitama can beat thanos
It's not that there is no conflict, it's that Saitama's conflicts are all in the form of problems he can't solve with his fists, such as slander from jealous heroes, pressure from Genos to reveal a secret he doesn't have, or never receiving credit for his actions. You can't punch a viscous rumor away. No amount of brute force will make people think you aren't stealing credit from other heroes. There's no special combo that defeats personal despair. There's a conflict, and it's a serious one, but it's subtle.
Sean Dickey Actually, you can punch everyone who spreads rumors. It's hard, but doable if you do it fast enough to not spread rumors about punching people who spread rumors.
It reminds me about a game Hell Yeah.
genius
I'm just here to remind everyone that Mumen Rider is the real MVP
Justice crash!!!
Justice tackle!!!!!
“Stop pack of thugs!”
I don’t need to be reminded for that
MUMEN RIDER IS GOD
Boooooooo
The way that Mumen Rider fight scene plays out with the Japanese voice actors is a little different. Saitama sounds way more genuine. On top of that there's a scene in the anime where Saitama gets lunch with one of his unlikely fans. This scene promotes meaning through human connection and kindness. Despite Saitama having thrown fame out the window at the bitter end of the Mumen Rider fight, he is still able to be a good hero and make a connection with someone. I would argue that this connection's intimacy is brought by Saitama's humble attitude and refusal to take credit for his good deeds.
Saitama does seem genuine to me. His voice is just monotone but he's never really sarcastic to anybody who isnt some sort of showboating villain. He doesn't really seem to have a mean bone in his body.
Stephen Maher lol you know that "unlikely fan" was mumen rider out of costume, right?
Nestor Ochoa ohhh shit I'm an idiot and forgot... Been a while since I watched that show through, I guess.
Whoa. This video was deceptively edited to make it look like Saitima hit Tank Top Tiger. That was Sonic YOU COWARDS! THIS WHOLE THING IS A METAPHOR FOR THE MYTH OF SISYPHUS.
Do you remember what episode he had this lunch on?
"Don't rely too much on convenient entertainment." *proceeds to advertise a service made precisely for convenient entertainment*
money...
Ya, Vinly, we all know it's because money. Doesn't make it any less true/ironic/funny.
Yeah darn addictions. Food, shelter, clothing. I wish we could quit food. I would save so much money never having to eat again.
Gilhelmi wat
I believe the point is we shouldn't avoid challenges and the fear of failure. In our world of easy pleasure it is simple to avoid those things.
One Punch Man is an anime we really need. Many writers should praise this show.
What this show does well is the story. Saitama does everything for free, he's just a hero for fun, he's a below average intellect who's tired of tropes. When people go into a speech about their backstory, Saitama stops them. He's always worried about his next meal, not his next opponent. Notice how all his fights only last either a few seconds or just one episode?
Japanese animation likes to spew backstory that lasts way longer than it should, the fights get drawn out to several episodes, the characters are all tropes, their hair color codes their personality i.e red hair male = skilled alpha male or blue hair male = weak aspiring beta male.
In One Punch Man, the DUDES BALD lol!! Saitama isn't an alpha male or a beta male. He doesn't care about anything, he just tries to find joy in what he's proficient at. He's so good at what he does, he doesn't need to worry about it, he worries more about what most humans can relate to, everyday necessities, work, a home. Even his 2 minute backstory touched upon the modern social issues of Japan. That two minute flashback has better satire than most films that tries to take itself seriously.
Geno's has a generic backstory but the writer doesn't make us care about it, because it's a generic story of vengeance; been there, done that, no one cares anymore. They showed us what would have happened in a generic anime and then trash it at the last moment and said "SIKE" and continued on with the theme of One Punch Man.
In a show about heroism, they don't run the same formula like other shows.
Anime formula:
Peace - bad guy comes in - loses fight to bad guy - subplots - trains/finds weakness - beat up bad guy - rinse and repeat.
In One Punch Man, Saitama kills all his opponents. Unlike other animes where a single villain has its own arc and it becomes a stale back and forth fight between the hero and villain. It's like Tom and Jerry where they constantly try to kill each other (without success) and it never comes to a conclusion.
Saitama is an overpowered main character, because of that all the bigger problems that comes his way are easily solved by our protagonist. It forces the writers to be creative with the plot. To an extent, One Punch Man is a social commentary on the status of Japanese Animation, hence why they shit on everything anime has overdone.
Theres a reason why many non anime watchers also love One Punch Man, it follows no trends and some people with a more cynical mindset enjoys the fact that it likes to make fun of it's own genre.
I really think this show becoming a huge success can pave the way for many aspiring writers. Maybe it can give the majority of the audience an interest in much better story telling media. Instead of the rehash that constantly gets excreted from Hollywood and South Korea film industry.
Dao Yang do you really expect me to read all that shit
By creating a new way of storytelling it ironically creates a venue for writers to find meaning, that is, hardship in terms of adventuring in new and unexplored territory. I like that :)
To the idiot who complains: He didn't write this specifically for you. By logic and sheer possibility someone is going to read it, if you aren't going to read it then it's not directed at you. Just shut up with that stupid shit.
But. Very well said, Dao.
ok
well said
While this is all true, there is so much more going on in One Punch Man.
Saitama has no heroic attitude. He does she job because it pays and because he can.
He does not need the Hero Association to find a strong opponent because enemies of that level can't go unnoticed anyway.
He does not see the need for the Association neither does he actually care for his rank much.
That is why he sees the flaws and trials of the other heroes around him.
-The Tank-Top brothers are assholes, but since they are medium to high rank heroes, they must be good guys for the people.
- A meteor could have destroyed the whole city, but the heroes did not manage to make the damage = 0 so they must be good for nothings
- These guys are calling themselves heroes but can't protect us against this massive sea-king-thing! How useless!
Saitama sees all of this and we see it through him.
People are utterly fooled by ranks and believe that the rank is all the graditude heroes deserve.
In the end One Punch Man asks the question of what makes a hero.
For that we have the 2 extremes of the strong Saitama who lacks the attitude and Moumen Rider who has the strong attitude but lacks the strenght.
saitama had heroic attitude. he is broke so he is not doing it for money
this was great
Saitama did have Attitude but his power killed that Attitude
that’s not true-when he was in the martial arts tournament he got angry when his opponent insulted the philosophy of heroism.
@@francescofulghieri9608 Philosophy and Attitude are 2 different things though.
Saitama goes in, defeats the monsters and leaves. He does not care for how the crowed he saves feel.
When Saitama comes in to save people, for them it's not like a hero has entered ,but like a random meteorite has just crushed the monster before them.
Yes, Saitama is a hero and he wants to be one, but he does not have the attitude that you would expect to come with it.
they mention this in the matrix with the architects speech saying the 1st one failed because it was a paradise
Atreyu Good point
Kutlu Mızrak: yeah, look at Trump.
It was agent Smith telling that to Morpheus :) While he was sweating on chair - Morpheus ofc.
Or like in "The Giver" book goes into alot allot of detail about this
Tetrahedron6 except humans didn't come up with it, logically superior machines did.
They were at levels similar to how most religious people envision their god at that point.
Man I didn't cry on the last part of toy story 3, but that mummen rider scene on the rain really got me.
You should try testing yourself with Madoka Magica!
Got choked up at TS3. Actually teary eyed at Mumen Rider.
Shut up....seems like you haven't watched DBZ. The Mumen rider tensity of purpose and emotion looked crap compared to that of DBZ characters. But it was short and simple....so I'll give you that.
OP Topi I have never cried while watching dbz
+some body Duex eh Machina....DBZ is full of it. Smart set up by Akira Toriyama.
good vid, but you kind of miss the trope that really makes one punch man so enthralling even though the action is always a foregone conclusion.
it's how the show emphasizes saitama's humanity that makes the show so interesting. a lot of the time we watch the show no just for the well drawn action sequences, but because Saitama does have his own glaring conflicts throughout the show. his lack of reputation, which makes it hard for people to take him seriously. the fact that no one has ever heard of him so people like mumen rider mooch off of his success. the fact that he has a few people that know of his power, and they know he's stronger than them, but he's still outranked in the pro hero circuit by even his own disciple. he went to the pro hero test and aced the physical exam but botched the written test because he's kind of a total dweeb. and people label him as a cheater because he is so overpowered that he graduated ranks at an exponential rate, so other heroes hate him. the conflicts go deeper than just fights at face value nectar wee know how that goes. that conflict is reserved for the character development of people around Saitama. His conflicts, besides trying to find a worthy adversary, is trying to deal with the formalities of being a hero in a world of heroes.
That is an interesting observation there. There's always room for more than one interpretation. Yours makes me think of One Punch Man as something of a spin on the Superman formula.
But Saitama clearly does not care about his reputation, or status within the hero association. It's a game to him. A game to be played for fun.
We, as viewers, perceive his lack of (positive) reputation as an injustice, so it is a conflict for us, as viewers - not for him.
Perry's Hotter
I'm thinking that is due to reasons, that Saitama himself doesn't quite understand yet.
I'm hoping that as the story progresses, Saitama will discover which values drove him to join the hero association, and make that his meaning in life.
I don't like to believe that Saitama would be petty enough to care about people knowing his name, his reputation, for it's own sake. I would like to think that there is some deeper value(s) at play
I think that is where the story is eventually headed, but it is clear that for the time being, one of Saitama's primary motivations is getting public recognition. But every time he does something worthy of that recognition the plot is contrived to take it from him. I think the resolution to this conflict will be Saitama coming to accept that he doesn't need public recognition and that the respect of his friends is enough.
"it is clear that for the time being, one of Saitama's primary motivations is getting public recognition"
That's not clear at all to me. I just think he wants to have fun. I suppose garnering recognition is fun to him? Like climbing a leaderboard in a video game, having your name on the top of the board? I dunno, maybe I need to watch the show a second time
11:50 everyone seems to have over looked sitoma was the whole reason the hero league began. when genoa explains a man started the hero organization when a random hero saved his grandson 3 yrs prior it is so overlooked!!!!!!
I like how Saitama never speaks of it either, he's just in his own little world of blah.
Didn't realize that . Nice catch
@@Peanutdenver He is too Humble to not act Aloof
@@Peanutdenver Saitama doesn't know either.
Have to say I felt like this was totally off. Saitama has loads of conflict to deal with, its just none of his conflicts are physical. He deals entirely with mental issues like loneliness, boredom, being unappreciated, and trying not to mess up other heroes. These are all extremely contemporary issues for modern Japanese workers.
I'm astounded that you could get this show so wrong. If you didn't see the conflict in each episode you should watch it again. There may be a monster invasion but the conflict is things like "can saitama find any meaningless crime to fix to maintain C rank?" or "can saitama save people without making the other heroes look bad?" or "can saitama be a mentor to someone when he doesn't understand where his success came from?" or frequently "can saitama be taken seriously if he doesn't look like people expect him to?" The joke is that the fights are window dressing for the real conflicts, not that there are no conflicts.
If you missed these conflicts because you were buried in the pointless fights, then the show went right over your heads. Rewatch it.
I think you're the one misunderstanding. The reason he has problems like loneliness, boredom, etc, is precisely because he can solve all the "important" problems with one punch. If he had to struggle with that then he'd have reason to practice with other heroes and make friends.
He'd have an unatainable goal to reach which would occupy him and give him purpose, every step towards it would be rewarding. He wouldn't have to "maintain c rank with meaningless crimes" if he was working on bettering himself.
Problems like loneliness and chronic boredom are far worse than struggeling to become better at something, for example- or just being successful in life because the latter comes with rewards in success. The former cannot be alleviated if you don't have a purpose to work towards.
Daniel I agree, but these days if it's not some superficial or physical conflict it's nonexistent. And unless you can recognize or empathize with a character inner conflict then it's nonexistent.
Johnny Lindblom Pretty much this. Daniel, if you missed the point of this video because you were buried in the pointless fights, then the video went right over your head. Rewatch it.
You see, the lack of conflict (which leads to boredom) may be a difficulty to be dealt with, but it's just not a type of conflict. Saitama is set to be the strongest man in his world and he has no room of improvement in the realm of fighting, and since he identifies himself as a hero, all potential conflict as a hero simply cannot exist. Also, I don't see any evidence that he finds real interest in alleviating his solitude and boredom.
Exactly! Like In Episode 1 When He Sounded Suicidal and Depressed Like Kaido From One Piece, Looking For A Way To Kill Himself Because He Cannot Die By The Hands Of Others.
One Punch man is an Online role-playing game. Saitama did the "Basic training regimen" every day for 3 years, and now his character is overpowered as shit. The other players are understandably peeved, but nobody can do anything about him because he legitimately earned that character. Things like the Deep Sea King were Events, or weekly bosses for the entire community to whittle down. Saitama got on late, and one punched the deep sea king, ending the event. That was the final straw, so the team behind the game set up the lord Boreas event, for S rank and above, with an exception for saitama, who had made his account before the class system was introduced (which is why he didn't have a rank at the beginning).
The Blu Spy wut?
? dafuq
Damn that's actually impressive a theory that logically explains the non-sensical absurdity. I got to give it to you this beats the Saitama is a god theory.
one punch mans plot explained in video game style.
It also explains why so many characters are either major Edgelords or just completely ridiculous.
I don't think this video is wrong but it misses the themes that make this show interesting in the first place. everyone in the series wants more strength and power (saitama, genos, dr. genus, boros, tatsumaki, the sea king, king, and so on) and they talk about it a lot, which makes the parts where it doesn't come up the best. the main themes are BRAVERY, and PURPOSE. it makes for the most touching moments in easily the most ridiculous anime ever, it is seeing numen rider go against that devil and not caring if he loses what touches us, it's his unparalleled bravery, and it is saitama really really acknowledging this that kills me. the thing he said, "good job, you should be proud" sounds sarcastic, but consider that it comes from the least sarcastic guy, and the most powerful human being. it really means something, because saitama knows infinite power kills your spirit, it gives him true satisfaction to see that real heroes are still out there, not those who like to punch things, but those who are brave.
Yes, thank you! Finding purpose is a huge theme in this anime (and one reason it's so relatable). Saitama is clearly struggling to figure out where his drive comes from and genuinely respects Mumen Rider, who has passion and real courage (even being ready to sacrifice his life to spare strangers for a few moments).
I had the same feeling
This is what they said in the video.
You think it could be a reflection of modern society today? Cause maybe since life is so easy now a days, people lack drive and passion
@@VanHalensApprentice This is what David Goggins says
Me: "why are we here? Just to suffer?"
Wisecrack: Yes.
Are we not gonna talk about the irony of making a video about the dangers of a life of comfort, then advertising a site that promotes comfort by providing access to all major streaming services in one place?
I think it's a metajoke
Ispira yeah "need"
proudblackjynx it's the way they make money dumbass, this channel is probably their main source of revenue.
D I N G D I N G D I N G! Achievement unlocked, buddy :D
lol Marco, you are no one to discuss the hipocrisy portrayed. you happy now, or do you still need a fucking flowchart? retards, man, seems capitalism is lost in this one hahaha. Marco, are there libraries with economics books in your vicinity? I'm guessing no but there's a chance xD
"It's the journey, not the destination."
I know what its suppose to mean, but that's such an overused fortune cookie slogan thrown around mindlessly. There is no journey when you commute to work. Only time spent and the annoyance of other people preventing you from getting to work. Even then, most jobs are only a means to an end. Even so, too many people believe that tedium is some kind of character building adversity that'll make you stronger.
That kinda the point tho. There no journey ina commute to work because a commute to work is a clinical "point to point" way of just ....getting to the destination
or it is the new infinite possible destinations.
@darwinXavier yes. thats correct. its hard to see the forest when we constantly have to look at the trees.
and in the case u mentioned, that tree seem to be not part of the forest we are looking for either. :p
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I'm sorry, but I have to disagree. I feel like you missed out on some key components. Like the conflict. Especially with the Mumen Rider scene. I don't believe it to be what you called a "dues ex machina" No, it's doesn't follow the standards of an action genre, mostly because thats not what genre it is. We expect the drama and conflict to be physical and upfront, but it isn't. It's emotional and based more subtly in the background. The drama that is built up around the Mumen Rider scene that was mentioned goes beyond the physical fight. Saitama's words to him weren't meant to be sarcastic, Saitama really was happy for his ability to continue to keep fighting even though he was struggling so hard. (And a bit jealous I might add.) Yes, we are used to the conflict being the hero winning against the big baddy, but that isn't what the conflict is based on in this situation. It's based on the people and public personas. Their feelings and opinions being swayed so easily and so very frighteningly fast. It only took one guy to turn a crowd of people just happy to be alive, into an angry mob saying that the heroes didn't do nearly enough to protect them. Saitama took that aggression and quelled it, barring the weight on his own shoulders to be hated by the common people so his friends and fellow heroes wouldn't have their names be dragged in the mud. It teaches us as the viewer that being the hero is about way more than punching hard. It's also about kindness, sacrifice, empathy, and human connections. Saitama is a hero because of this strength of character, not because he can punch hard.
Yeah, the video is half-right. The conflict with with boredom is one of many non-physical conflicts Saitama faces, tries to resolve, and succeeds only partially even after great efforts...
As I said in a previous comment, he didn't even mention the whole Tank Top Masters debacle, and that right there shows how full of nuance Saitama's actions are
loser-by-choice this comment is underrated you deserve more likes probably is the length that prevented its recognition. at least some people still really appreciate it
Thanongrit Suriyarungka This is the most lilkes I've gotten on a comment ever... But thanks man! I'm glad some people liked it at all. I just really love this show.
Yes! I so agree! This scene was hella powerful and cathartic to me! And I personally find the driving theme is questioning herodom - how we see and recognize and define "real heroes".
I've always hated when things drag and drag and buildup for ages. And when characters give us a long boring emotional storyline and won't shut up.
So one punch man is like my perfect anime 💚
I don't see it as a narrative without conflict as Saitama's conflict is that he has no conflict, this philosophy is only valid if you view the anime as a straight action/superhero and forget all drama/internal aspects. When Mumen rider approached those bald villains and was cheered on to instantly be knocked out it was played for laughs. So during his confrontation with the Sea king I expected laughs, but it was actually kind of an inspiring moment to see him stand up to him, but I don't think at that point in the series anyone watching expected Mumen rider to win and Saitama to not show up and do his thing. I empathized and rooted more with Saitama, hoping he would finally receive acknowledgement for accomplishing something. Saitama has goals just like any other main character and while he may be perfect in the fighting aspect, he seems to strive for the admiration of the public for being a "true" hero & not what the people of his world consider a hero because he already is just that. I feel like you should've went more in depth on the last part of the video or maybe on the theme of finding one's purpose which is prevalent throughout the series; from Saitama hating his old job, villains not wanting to work to having regular day jobs post-Saitama. It seems to reflect a lot of the creator's journey of having some regular job to successful anime/manga creator. .
Yes! So few people see it this way!
WMICx it's lumen not mumen
Yeah, I agree. This review was just too superficial, and kept harping on that one point endlessly... I was wondering when they were going to highlight how Saitama struggles for recognition from his peers, and then juxtapose it against the apparent ease with which he dispatches his enemies. They could have done an investigation into this repeated use of dramatic irony as a running theme throughout the series. But they never did.
Wisecrack also missed the opportunity to look into the true meaning of heroism - exemplified by Saitama's constant saving of people / the world, despite him being misunderstood or even belittled by everyone around him. How did they not think to contrast this with the public adulation Genus receives for being considerably less accomplished?
I am disappoint 😟
WMICx
There is also the theme of not judging by the cover which i understand happens often in japan, like saitama the original web comic itself has artwork that looks mundane and unimpressive but the story and endering characters are revealed as a hidden gems, most people refuse to accept that saitama is as strong as he is because he doesn't like impressive enough, everyone thinks muman rider can beat the sea king despite a normal guy on a bicycle with a good speach while nobody has faith in saitama, even after he tanks a hit with no obvious harm they ignore the evidence and assume its a fluke even though that had never happened before, even when saitama does win all it take is some fish lipped asshole to move things in the other direction, instead of people seeing saitama as strong they see the other heros as weak for not being able to stop him, which leads saitama to act like a true hero sacrificing hes reputation to prtect the faith in heros and the ultimate good that they do
To me Saitama exists as a sort of Reverse Superman. While Superman is about inspiring people to be heroes in their own right and to do good because he's so powerful yet goes out of his way to help people that it should make people take a look at their own selves and decide to do that to. Saitama however exists as the opposite. Instead of trying to inspire people, the scene with Mumen Rider and the Sea King showcases something. He threw out any praise and glory he might have gotten because it was so easy for him but every other hero got thoroughly beaten and many were near death.
If this was a Superman story, Superman would end up as beaten down as the other heroes and in fact the way Sea King is set up is VERY similar to Doomsday in terms of how the story goes. Several heroes show up to stop this unstoppable threat, all of them beaten to within an inch of their lives, and then Superman shows up and even HE'S not enough to fully stop Doomsday and is eventually killed.
With Sea King the same thing happens... But the second the "Superman" in question shows up he's down for the count and all is well.
With all of this in mind one could argue Saitama TRIES to do what Superman does but in a different way. While Superman is about inspiring hope and selflessness, Saitama could more or less be about inspiring selflessness and humbleness. He's humble enough and selfless enough to give up glory to others who actually earned it with their hard work and who nearly died trying to protect people and while there are a few in the Hero Association who KNOW just how powerful he is the S-Class heroes tend to be kind of arrogant by a strong measure, so take that into account and add Saitama showing humility and humbleness in his goals and view of glory and you have the overall conflict even if it's not stated outright. Humility VS Arrogance, set on the back drop of a man who cannot be defeated but wishes that he could.
Going further with Boros who claims to be the strongest in the universe and constantly thinking he can take Saitama down all throughout their fight up until the very last second. Arrogance
But cant you argue that Saitama has more of a social conflict than a physical one? While all other heros in the the world fit nicely into the Hero Organization, Saitama is places into an extremely low hero class due to society not being prepared for his strength. Or how he is the only super hero faced with public ridicule and doubt while every other super hero gets praised and glorified for thier actions. I dont feel Saitama is a hero without conflict here and i feel this video portrays him as such. I feel his Struggles as a character is to be recognized by society as a hero and not some fake that takes credit from the work other people do.
SpaziHatter Agreed!
SpaziHatter Exactly. I dont agree with much of this video because Saitana DOES have conflict. Its qn Internal one.
its both he wants a challenge and we want him to be recognised honestly they crossest as goals as that's what most likely the series is building towards
I still don't feel like it's really HIS conflict. He shrugs most of it off and answers with a casual "Don't let it bother you" or "I don't care" he accepts the promotion to B rank not in an attempt to prove something, or over come a conflict his reason is simply "I won't have to reach a quota any more" he recognizes the problems in society but is detached from it himself on a personal level. Instead his blunt and uncaring attitude to most problems ends up with Saitama pointing out the flaws in other people's motivations, thoughts and the society they live in and by easily out classing them it makes them really consider that maybe everything they thought or believed in is actually wrong.
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The way I see it, Saitama's internal conflict has arisen because he lacks external conflict.
People crave meaning in their life, so when there is no meaning to be found in overcoming external hardships (because there are none), Saitama's mind makes up a conflict within in a desperate measure to bring conflict, and thereby meaning, back into his life.
This definitely missed out on what the show is really about. OPM was meant to subvert the Japanese Super Saiyan genre among many others because of their extremes of drama to the point of tired, time-wasting epic battles that are dragged out to fabricate emotion that we could have gotten in a much shorter span of time. In a world of long expositions and excessive character arcs and egos the size of planets, Saitama's worries are much more HUMAN where his power is not. He's RELATABLE in that his issues are tied to how he'll pay for dinner and rent, how people perceive him, how he needs to remember how to find joy in doing what he loves, and what he believes heroism to be vs. the selfish sensationalist gimmick it's become.
OPM is about finding hope and joy and something to believe in in a world of boredom, selfishness and cynicism. You see that in the way Saitama would rather put faith in the heroes who stood up to the Sea King even at the cost of his own reputation, how he lights up at Mumen Rider's kindness and takes care of Genos and looks after the wellbeing of others. It's about having fun in the things everybody takes too seriously.
Thinking OPM lacks in conflict really misses the spirit of the show or any of its--well, very real, very human, very relatable conflicts, most of which are seen in Saitama rather than in the side characters.
Well said. OPM opens with a few arcs that offer to really explore the human behind the Super Saiyan, but unfortunately it falls into filler where the show spends time developing minor characters that offer little to the narrative except filler until Saitama himself becomes a remote figure who brings little to the story except to clean up the mess everyone is in. He starts off subverting the genre, then ends up being the reliable Deus Ex Machina.
The final episode stars a character that resembles Saitama in a lot of respects: He just wants a good fight. And he happens to have been bothered by this itch for quite a bit longer than Saitama has. There's an interesting concept to explore in how Saitama's power might corrupt him as it did the villain, but unfortunately that simply is not explored.
Well said. Although I just started this anime, I think the strongest point of is premise is that it parodies the over-drama in anime conflicts. I commented a reply to the video recently, but I should have read your response first. Perhaps OPM pulled a prank on us, thinking there was something deeper than what it actually is. OPM is enjoyable because it is simple and relatable.
I was about to comment the same thing yet this is just perfect and very nicely phrased. I not only think that OPM wants to make fun of the entertainment medium for over-exaggerating fictional conflicts, but also of how society and media respond to real-life problems. I think we should all practice a bit of stoicism in our lives so we won't be so frantic when shit happens to us (of c we don't need to be as extreme as Saitama). Even though the video completely misses this point, I think it still did a good job at conveying an opposite point of view. So let's not completely dismiss the idea that struggles give life purpose.
Very well said man.
In 20 words or less please. Jk, well said.
Im just impressed that some people can make an anime series with a character OP af and still make it fun and interesting to watch =D
@ahdan prasetyo same writer. And no... Mob psycho dont get this excited (i tried).one punch man is just... Well, i dont know how else to put it....deeper
@ahdan prasetyo there is also this giant question mark. How? How can he do that. And the trickiest part is, somewhere there inside, we actually dont want to know. We want heroes to be perfect = powerful. And saitama and the mystery, give that to us. Still, the author can only linger around that question for so long. I frickin love this show, but I am also afraid for the answer. Superman got lucky with the cryptonite, achilles and hes heels. Will saitama author take same route? Or hang the question till it dry, and oh boy will it dry. Idk, i guess for now... All we fans can do is enjoy the show.
@@firapuroki4571 what if that scientist and his clones start doing the 100 pushups situps and squats. Now he has an army of one punch men. Could be a good twist
@@therealmaxprophet haha. True.
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But i think that the show, well, more precisely the manga, IS gearing people for a sort of catharsis. A lot of time in recent battles the main expectation is not for hero to win, like in other media, but for hero to _show up_.
Underrated comment. Highly agree.
+Kutlu Misrak Wait, if Saitama is one shot at the end of the series, all that means is that he didn't look hard enough for an opponent. Wouldn't that change the premise of the series from "Guy who is too strong" to "Strong guy who is too lazy/stupid to find the other guy who is stronger than him, so he thinks he's too strong." Also it wouldn't be funny. Sure, no one'd expect it, but that doesn't make it funny. To me, the whole series was simply a parody character in a serious shonen world. The reason he is too strong is because it's funny. No serious character can beat him because he is following a completely different story from theirs. The other characters try "Oh, I'll power up, I'll train, I'll get smarter and wiser, my buddies and I will team up, etc..." There is no realistic way to beat him, the only way he could lose is in an unrealistic way, like you said, with a Deus ex Machina.
when Saitama shows up he usually has the week's rubbish, groceries or laundry. He literally just passes by lol
ofcourse, we are waiting for it
The main villain for OPM S2 just got his voice actor literally a day ago, and an explicitly "anime" OPM event was set for August.
watch bill burr talking about one punch man, it's fucking precious.
YOU FUCKIN NERD!!, lol. yeah, that was pretty great.
Gave 'em the ole' "Right There Fred"
J M bill burr is a legend
J M love for burr
If you're bored because you don't have a challenge in life, try math. That crap is hard.
Kutlu Mızrak oatkay math genius
Isn't hard work hard by definition?
Michael Morrison
But you'd still be bored.
XD #Truth. Honestly, I don't think we need challenges to enjoy life. Too many people think we do because of the conditioning of society. If everything were automated and all that was left for us was to have fun, we would be fine. After all minecraft's creative mode isn't hard but its still enjoyable.
Do You Know Why Most People Hate Privileged People/Kids, It's Because They Have No Conflict In Their Lives and Have Millions of Dollars and Do Not Appreciate It Or Cannot Handle Simple Problems Like How To Get Money or Build Meaningful Connections Because They Had Everything Handed To Them.
This Is What Happens When There is No Conflict In Life, You Become Mute To All Good Things In Life.
I'll summarize it for everyone:"Have a Banana."
Personally, when the Rider stepped up to the Sea King, I already knew that he'd lose... And I was internally screaming "WHERE THE F*CK IS SAITAMA?????"... And when he got that and said the... "Good fight", I almost cried.
That's because... Saitama not only gets there to save the day, he also saves the Mumem Rider while acknowledging his bravery... Just like we do.
This is similar to Takamura from Hajime no Ippo, even thought it would be interesting if he would struggle, the world of One Punch Man can get so f*cked up that you honestly hope that, not only Saitama wins, but you also hope that he DESTROYS the enemies as quickly as possible, because we don't want to see the other characters (cool or lame) to die against the villain.
We get to see the struggle and hopelessness in every other character in the story... And when Saitama gets there a magic moment of "THANK GOD" is one of the most rewarding feelings you can get from any kind of media.
Henrique Kenzo agreed!! 🙌
who else is hyped for One Punch Man season 2?! :D
me!
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XLucyX when's it coming
Not really. If you seen the first episode you've seen them all.
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(For those disagreeing and missing the point especially on the Sea King "arc") He didn't call it a *Deus Ex Machina* he simply stated that in most typical genres, that is what you'd consider it to be, but the series takes typical troupes and runs with them in very unique ways, either parodying them or turning them on their head to invoke new thoughts or differing perspectives of what we're used to in society. Saitama telling Mumen rider "good job" wasn't sarcastic, but it also arguably holds very little weight in the grand scheme of things. As he said in the video earlier, we know how the story will progress. We know that eventually Saitama would arrive and save the day(Deus Ex Machina) It had also been established that Mumen Rider is pretty underwhelming so we expect nothing from him. His speech and the crowd cheering him on does two things. 1. It portrays the story of the underdog and we root for the underdog because we see ourselves in them. 2. It heightens the cathartic effect we feel when Rider gets put down. Saitama was genuine in complimenting him, and in return we later get a nice moment of Mumen Rider giving thanks by having a meal with him, but as shown beforehand multiple times, Saitama's very presence undermines traditional conflict. Genos, Puri Puri Prisoner, Mumen Rider and several other heroes fought tooth and nail to defeat the Sea King, they struggled, there was conflict, and we empathized with that, only for Saitama to come and deal with the conflict in one swing. I do agree that the crowd mob mentality during that scene is of note but it doesn't disprove or delegitimise the premise of the world without conflict theme, it simply introduces another one. The perception of these heroes and Saitama is an element in the series all on it's own separate of the underlying theme which is what was discussed here.
One Punch Man is a show _about a Deus Ex Machina._ Why is this so hard?
Grey Scott 20 words or less.
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I'd say it's more pointing towards the stupidity of those who constantly rely on experiencing these emotions in order to be satisfied. Genus thinks he's created the pinnacle of lifeforms because he spent so long on the attempt after being so bitterly rejected by his peers and his perception of humans being pathetic creatures unworthy of continuing to exist. Only to be let down by one punch. What does he do? He gives up and opens a food stall. More than a lifetime of work towards perfection, leading to the evolution of the most powerful being he can imagine, put to rest by the status quo of some random guy. It's not unlike what people do every single day. They have their little moral codes, careers, volunteer work, certifications, degrees, perceived accomplishments, and they call that validation of success. That money shot of enjoyment people rely on to get that daily dose of dopamine coursing through their brain telling them "me do good, me happy", all pointless. And yet every time Saitama crosses paths with someone, does he tell them to give up and kill themselves as there's no point in living because it's so boring at the top? No, he encourages them to never stop improving. To keep training no matter what. To keep fighting even when you feel like shitting your organs out through a straw. Why? Keep asking that. Especially the next time you decide to feel so wonderful about what is by far a mundane achievement in your life, or the next time you feel any motivation to go make some emotional rant about something that happened in your day on Facebook. It doesn't matter. You don't matter. You are a worthless piece of shit who is outclassed in every way, every day. And you're limiting your own potential by not realizing that.
didn't he call saitama a human deus ex machina?
Grizabeebles Someone blanked out this entire video, methinks.
There's actual conflict with saitama's character but it's more internal and societal / social based. He gained all his power but at the cost of his emotions and his hair. Which most likely is a reference to him reaching a level of enlightenment where is powers are beyond the physical and emotional Spectrum.
The rest has to do with his place in society compared to all the other heroes & the monsters. Due to lack of recognition for what he's actually done before he joined. And his money standpoint which is the reason why he took on Genoes as a student / sidekick.
And finally I leave you with this saitama is a parody of OG Superman the one that couldn't fly.
It's as agent Smith said.
The human mind rejected the first iteration of the matrix. It needed the suffering.
hah....!
that grain of truth prevails..
Here I figured OPM's power and lack of drama was commentary on the typical battle anime protag who (in most situations) cannot and will not use and pointlessly long fights are done in an attempt to try and create drama even though we ALL know that they're going to win, usually in some special technique. I mean look at Bleach, Inuyasha, etc... Like yeah, we know you're going to win. You don't have to spend 17 episodes depicting 5 minutes... One Punch Man cuts straight tot he punch and just ends the fight immediately instead of insulting the audience's intelligence and then weaves this into the story.
It's TV in general, not just anime. Main characters have plot armor.
It also adds more room for plot and character development,
which is a nice change of pace.
It's not always like that though. Especially in recent years. More media has main characters that die or get seriously injured and lose than in the past. At least it feels like that.
The Dub version is anti-climatic. The sub you can actually sense Saitama struggling with the conflict of not feeling satisfied.
But I guess the issue of Sub and Dub is left to personal taste.
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What will happen if Saitama was given the Berserker Armor????? What spirit beast is the armor going to manifest when Saitama wears it?????
Absolute DESPAIRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!
The Berserker Armor would probably just retain whatever form it had before being worn. It requires the user to get injured. Since Saitama can't really get injured, the Berserker armor can't actually do anything for him. Even the mental stuff probably wouldn't have an effect on Saitama. On the off chance that it would, then a Berserker Saitama would pretty much be an act of god.
***** Actually the Berserker Armor isn't susceptible to simple damages. If it has a major dent, it will reshape back to normal. If it got melted, again it reshape itself back. After all, this mythical suit is one of the most powerful charms that witch Flora has with its primary ability to remove pain from its wearer.
I find the times where saitama coming in to save the day really exciting. he has an appeal to the story that when the other main characters are struggling to fight their enemy, you get hyped up and anticipate the time Saitama one shots them. just the natural reaction was like "man, the monster was super strong, only to get swatted by this guy so fast?" you just start laughing and cheering for saitama every time this type of this happens.
Fudgen NoodleStixxs thats how i feel in the recent manga chapter
Mumen Rider was the most powerful hero. Undoubtedly
Saitama is no match for him.
What about King?
Justice crash!!!
@@mondiramaji791 king can beat saitama 87x with just 2 fingers
You say, Saitama is boring, while in contrast I would say he is a very interesting guy, how he didn't get an S class rank from the start of his hero career and how he struggles to achieve S class is really good plot. How he kills his every opponent with one punch, pretty much concludes that you don't need thousands of episodes to watch to get same satisfactory result and also you save lots of your personal time...
why doesn't one punch man try kicking to make it a challenge
Tyler Penta he doesn't want to handicap himself. If that were the case he could just chop off his arms.
+Patrick Lambert, Personally I feel that he shouldn't HAVE to handicap himself to get some sort of enjoyment. Its not the same...its...artificial..
Tyler Penta it is irrelevant how he hits them they loose he is a comedic character who is wrote to not lose at all he beats anyone
Did you see what he did to the moon by jumping? And then add the fact that calculations have shown that he was able to reach relativistic speeds by jumping... One thing is certain, this man did not skip leg day. Kick or Punch, the outcomes the same.
Seitama gets his powers from a literal interpretation of the "10,000 hour rule" and leveling mechanics from RPGs. Seitama spent every waking minute of the past 3 years training to become like his favorite superhero who could beat his enemies in one punch. So that's what he became. Likewise, the reason Mumen Rider doesn't improve is because being the best C-class hero is exactly what he wants to be. Can't level if you're not gaining XP.
Dr. Genus was the same way, dedicating 50 years to uncovering and mastering the secrets of DNA and evolution before he regained his youth and cloned himself.
In the first season of the anime, these are the only two characters shown to have "fire in their eyes." Other than Garou, no other character I can think of in the show gains superpowers without using some external means and the results are always imperfect. Even Genos constantly relies on upgrades from the Professor to enhance his powers. Meanwhile most of the monsters are some sort of Eldritch Abomination with little to no humanity to begin with.
I feel like you guys were way off on this... Saitama is driven by people throughout the entire story. Even his first moment of heroism was based on an instinct he didn't even know he had (saving the prankster child) and most of the scenarios that he gets himself mixed up in are because of Genos and other characters he forms relationships with. The only time you ever see his character smiling is when he's with the company of his friends or protecting them. I think the point the show was trying to convey was that regardless of how powerful you are the true problem comes from feeling alone.
I deny that extremely as he is always annoyed when others are around. He's also always bored regardless, but does things cause he's dragged into it, but he's still not happy.
Naw. He gets quite a sum of kicks whenever he shows off around people. No pun intended on punches and kicks, I mean like psychological kicks. www.macmillandictionary.com/us/dictionary/american/get-your-kicks-from-something
a lot of triggered millennials/hipsters/SJWs trying hard to rationalize an argument against this videos comment about conflict, the mental gymnastics is hilariously entertaining to read.
I think you commented on the wrong comment. I don't think there is nearly as much as you claim in these 3 comments of any of that.
Saitama says he does it for fun. He doesnt do it for others. How is it meaningful?
when trying to find the best deals at the supermarket becomes the only source of conflict in your life
shirley woah point
Killing flies too
Super power, white people problems
@@matthewarnold4557 Because no white people are in poverty
You know, I believe the Matrix addressed this, too. The original version of the Matrix (in the movie) failed because the people couldn't stand living in an ideal world, so they based it on the 90's instead. Power issue resolved.
I thought that the aspect of the story ONE wanted us to fixate on was the fact that even though Saitama is overpowered, he still isn't a good hero or recognized by people. I thought that we were meant to root for Saitama to become an inspiring hero who is praised by the public. I'm not dismissing this video, I just thought that that was the point of the story. Great vid btw, love this channel.
Toyosi Adesina Yeah it's was kinda of a cockblock when those people diss him after he beat the Sea King. I was like Saitama was almost gonna be recognised by the public but come on why did you hero block us
its both he wants a challenge and we want him to be recognised honestly they crossest as goals as that's what most likely the series is building towards
a user has no name he sacrificed his standing to save the reputation of his fellow heroes. Which is like Genos' self destruct sequence. Saitama put his wants and needs aside to help build up the others who fought the sea king and his sacrifice made me want to root for him more.
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I agree. Now that it's finished it would be fun to analyze.
Ehh, I disagree with the whole, "only a life with conflict is a life with meaning." Actually, I vehemently disagree with that! The catharsis of One Punch Man is as follows... Of course it's a hilarious satire, but it still works as a drama. Throughout the show, it demands from Saitama that the risk and thrill of conflict is gone. So meaning must be found elsewhere. Such as with Genos as a student/friend or the Mumen Rider as a buddy. When he defeats the Deep Sea King, he could've taken the glory from the win as he earned it. But when the reputations of the other heroes were at stake (because of the fish-lipped asshole in the crowd.) He gave that praise away to the other heroes, even if it meant he would receive shame and spite instead. Now if that isn't heroic, then I don't know what is... Bottom line, I love this show not only for it's satirical approach to anime/superhero tropes. I love it because it forces everyone to look for other sources and greater sources of meaning, beyond violence and arrogance (aka conflict).
Sir Mattomaton
No you're quite wrong in that. Because a being without conflict is a God.
Think about it you must experience conflict one way or another, just imagine not having to breath or eat or do anything at all. That's no conflict.
That's nonsensical...
Sir Mattomaton
You really don't understand the meaning of "0 conflicts" do you ?
While I do agree with your point of OPM being a show about hero(the slogan is "I'm a hero for fun") but I very much disagree with your dislike on a life with conflicts.
The damn thing is humanity nature itself, to take away conflict is to make humans not humans.
Imagine it, by just setting your eye on a goal you can walk there with 0 obstacles, to live making 0 mistakes, to have 0 fears, that isn't even living anymore. Saitama himself even for all his power still have conflicts, as he still have to worries over little things, like will he have enough money to pay his bills, or will he catches the next sale and even then he is still bored absolutely out of his mind.
So just imagine it, a being without conflicts is a being without drive, humanity -while as scared of conflicts as it is- yearn for it at the same time. Just imagine it, let's say perfect geniuses, they are "perfect"(even more than usual in this example) they can accomplish feats that either make or break your mind, they can never fail, they will never face any obstacles, you can't imagine that of course, it's impossible, how about we compare it to something that is similar to it, hmmm........
Oh ! Look at that rock (or whatever is the inanimate object near you), its life has 0 meaning because it has 0 conflicts(it can't experience them because it lack the means to do so). Now apply that to a human(but instead of lacking it's just that no conflicts can affect said human being) and you will get a being that has 0 conflicts, they literally stop being someone and just turn into something.
Arguing semantics.... You're using "conflict" in a very broad term. Conflict is opposition between 2 or more opposing forces. Even with internal conflict, there are often 2 or more different ideas/values a character wrestles with. What you are suggesting is a character that's going through struggles, or having to over come obstacles. That I can agree.
Such difficulties do add meaning and weight to the plot and the character in question.
Sir Mattomaton
Indeed, although my view of conflicts is much wider than most people would like, I still think that the view is correct. To me in fiction, conflicts no matter how small is still rather amusing, like Saitama's problem with money for example being an obstacle toward his daily life.
That's why when you said you disagree with the "no conflicts mean not a life" that get me mad. OPM's most powerful point is that you don't need grand "conflicts" like saving the world to feel fulfillment, it's through the bond you make with your friend that is what matters. You can actually see that when Saitama interacts with his friends, he expressed much more emotion than he would fighting a grand enemy.
What kept me watching was the fact that he was so powerful yet got placed in Class C and no one believed he was doing all the hard work.
Please do Philosophy of:
1. Death Note
2. Code Geass
3. Fullmetal Alchemist / Brotherhood
4. Jojo's Bizarre Adventures
5. Cowboy Bebop
margareth michelina no just... no
Bradley Ritter Why not? At least I don't include SAO.
margareth michelina not death note. humans are corrupted by power theres ur philosophy on it.
margareth michelina
"Jojos bizarre adventure" Its' philosophy is that annoying visuals and "randumb xD" humor is funny
This is "I've only seen 10 anime" the list.
Where is that damn Philosophy of Archer??
goddamn right man
+leon bushnell I would think they would more likely explore the subversive side of the group as a whole. They were terrorists technically while under the name ISIS, then they were hired by the CIA and then Drug Runners and then back to "Spying" and the most recent season being a dreamland. Everything that has taken place within the show is based on real events, most of it anyway. And most of the things they have done have been proven to have been done by the CIA in the past. The show definately uses it's incredible wit and banter to overlay this stuff.
Aggravated Introvert That's pretty dark...
My mom destroys me at mortal kombat...
Sano if that really is true then your mom is awesome
The power of random button mashing...
😆
Kudos that you have quality time with your mother.
My mom distroy me whenever I play mortal kombat
One Punch is unique for a lot of reasons but the normal catharsis that we look for in typical stories is replaced by Saitamas longing for a challenge. He always accepts a fight because he’s still looking for a place where he can find a worthy opponent, but for the most part his struggles are that which no one else can relate to.
You see how upset how he gets when he is just trying to shop, how he thinks he’s going to miss coupon day or that someone broke his ceiling. He just spent three years training after realizing no one would hire him. Now all his hard work still makes his day to day unrewarding. He can’t relate to anyone. Everyone’s got a purpose but Saitama. For the audience, our reward isn’t seeing Saitama defeat everything in his way, it’s us seeing Saitama help those around him in his search for a worthy opponent.
But wait. Isn't Saitimo's lack of conflict a conflict in and of itself? Since Saitimo is so bored with being superpowerful and has no motivation, his motivation for being a hero is to try and find a villain that he hopes will be a challenge aka conflict. That is to say his conflict is the lack conflict and the search for it. Which would mean he has a conflict and thus found it already... which means that he is looking for the thing he has but does not know it... which means he will have to give his kid up to be a witcher... which means cd project red has become too powerful and will go bald.. which means... which means; OMG ROGAINE IS GOING TO TAKE OVER ALL THE VIDEO GAMES!... or am I thinking about this too hard?
David Szaks saitama*
he does have an existential crisis, but in the manga he talks to King about heroism and King tells him it's not about power but responsibility. Saitama cracks a smile and shrugs, while inadvertently kicking the villain of the week into a wall.
One Punch Man: The Rise of Thanos RIGHT HERE ---> ruclips.net/video/KnSyXCCjzE0/видео.html
ahem, SAITAMA.
>:C how dare you disrespect thou ANIMEEE
the whole animation is just like a description of the society. Living in a society that contains lies, greediness, with people that want to seek power at all cost, etc, don't let others affect you. Enhance yourself, force yourself to be the best, just like the old saitama who train hard, then no matter how others affect you, challenge you, disagree you, you can still stand up and won't fall, and become as 'overpowered' as saitama, as 'strong' as saitama. (sorry for my poor english) I think there are still other meanings in the animation, but this could be the main message.
I like this message
Someone got it... Finally... I thought nobody got the point. I think there's more messages too that ONE wants to give us but we'll have to wait.
Amazing insight as always Mr Wisecrack. There's also another characteristic of One-punch man that I find worth mentioning which is their satire on how our society has the need to bureaucratize every little aspect of life, where heroes can only be so if they register to a corporation that ranks them and put them to an Adam Smith-like specific tasks, taking the enjoyment of being a hero and making it a joyless profession. With so many bureaucratic procedures it became a somewhat corrupt organization that eventually lost its own essence, like many enterprises that begin with a good and honest desire of making good but end up as bad as the others due to white collar interventions. I'd love to watch a video about that.
João Renz Piovan Read Kafka.
No shit sherlock, I'd like wisecrack to do a Kafkaesque video about One-punch.
João Renz Piovan I too find it fascinating that the show
used the superhero genre to comment on how corporatism
is bad by making something as awesome as saving the world
into a boring competitive thankless day job.
Right? It's genial, they talk about that in a very subtle way, they slowly evolved our understanding of the Hero Association and they don't focus a lot on it, they have two cases of loss of joy, from saitama's uber power to organizations trying to organize what we do and take the joy out of it, like faith vs religion, hobby vs job, etc.
A few months ago I fought in my first amateur mma match. I lost in the first round by TKO. Sure it sucked to lose like that in front of my friends and family. and thankfully I didn't have any injuries that didn't heal within a few days. But now every training session has a new sense of purpose and excitement. I could let that loss keep me down but I knew I had to get back up and keep trying. I know if I work hard I'll get better. Thinking about how if I won that fight with little effort training wouldn't be as fun like now.
That conflict and failure allowed me to experience a whole new meaning to working hard. It's strange to imagine getting so strong that training has no meaning and doesn't bring any excitement. That I probably wouldn't want to get out of bed because it won't matter if I train or not.
So the next time I fight and hopefully win, it's because I earned it. Giving all that time spent meaning. And as much as it is to try and self improve I love the bond I've made with my teammates. Because we're all working hard to get better. Facing our hardships and failures together. Another amazing video by you guys because it asks the question what is life like when everything is WAY TOO easy. That everything becomes too boring and nothing can surprise you. So each thing we face we do our best to keep learning and keep moving forward.
Something that's really interesting on One Punchman which wasn't mentioned was how society reacts to Saitama, which I find really interesting. We, as the viewers, are able to see Saitama and what he's doing but the society isn't, which causes them to dismiss him, ignore his feats and doubt him. He's been saving lives before he became a "real hero" and yet no one knew about him, in most cases it has to do with the lack of public when he's doing these things but on the exam and the fight with the sea king we can clearly see that people can't believe that he's that strong and go with the most reasonable reaction which is to distrust him.
This is what makes him relatable and makes us cheer for him, we see someone who isn't been treated justly, someone who is clearly out of everyone league and yet is distrusted and hated, someone who no one takes seriously and has the problems you've mentioned. This is why I find this series so amusing, because the author was able to find a way for us to care about a character who shouldn't have any problems at all that we shouldn't be able to relate.
I completely agree. It seems that society cannot accept the fact that someone with a power like Saitama exists, and even though they had witness what he can do, they just reject the notion, and instead treat him like a cheater, or some asshole who likes to take credits from other heroes
I end up rooting for Saitama every time and I get that cathartic release at the end *because* of the build up towards the final punch. Then again this is all moot because I am 100% sure that ONE never meant for OPM to be "deep". Mob Psycho 100 is supposed to be his actual serious work.
james d you should rewatch the series and read the manga or webcomics there were manny emotional serious moments (I recommend the special manga charpter with the police idk which that is)
lol, thanks for the advice but I've been reading the manga and webcomic since early 2012.
+brian rector
lol changed I wrote that at like 1 am.
+Light
I'm sure he gets paid for both.
james d ONE never meant for One Punch Man to be deep? Sure, he was a "mangaka for fun" and just drew it at first for s**** and giggles. But as soon as ONE introduces the Hero Association, the series is split. The famous joke, the One Punch, is still in effect, but the rest of the world, basically a serious shonen, starts rolling. Amai Mask is mystery. A few executives see Saitama's strength but decide to watch him climb the ranks. Many S-Class heroes are unwilling to save millions of innocent lives from a meteor. Metal Knight doesn't value human life at all. Mumen Rider and other heroes show themselves willing to lay down their lives in defense of humanity. The most powerful hero S-Class Rank 1 Blast is missing. An alien warlord attacks Earth because he seeks meaning in his life. These features are no laughing matter.
can you do the philosophy of the Cornetto Trilogy please?
YES
YES YES
YES
Swan!
Jesse McCree Got some red on you.
Mumen Riders fights always gives me goosebumps, even in the small cut 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Philosophy of Death Note!
notPranipus Just finished binge watching it last week!!
most important thing I love in OPM is that he breaks out of this stereotype "power corrupts" because he is the most powerful being but he is so innocent and never uses his power in wrong way.
killer move serious series : serious comment !!!!!!!
Azlie johari Ultimate move death series: Doom reply!?!?!
Ahhh, you used the dub for this.
Feels so weird
Can you do "Are bald people rich because they don't have to buy conditioner"😂
Lewis Edwards
XD
Isn't the feeling of boredom from lack of diversity a struggle in and of itself for a person to get a sense of self actualization? Freed from other distractions people are like children, always in awe of the infinite wonder in the world, always itching to express their ideas, and achieve their dreams. Do you think Medieval people had daydreams, or do you think people want to invest if the world is too chaotic to guarantee they will be around to reap the return on the investment? Its because we have less and less challenges that we can progress in the finer areas of life like are and entertainment.
Nicholas Bonasoro wow. Never thought of it like that. i agree with both POV's though. but I can definitely see your point
I think the point was more that struggling to do something gives it more personal value and that many people these days don't seem to want to make something personal. If I give you a ring its just a ring. If you worked hard to get the metal, Melt it down and shape it into a ring it has more sentimental value even if its not as good as the ones you can buy.
The idea is that Struggle/conflict builds contrast in our lives of which we can determine the shape of our character. Some say that in our day and age we don't have all the struggles they had and in turn don't see the same highs and lows. I'd say that both your statement and their statement are crude simplifications.
Nicholas Bonasoro Very true!
The reason why people are able and willing to create
entertainment in the first place is because they're not
too busy fighting for survival all of the time.
However, I think the point the video is making is not
that we should throw away our technology and go back
to living how our ancestors did centuries ago,
but rather that we should find a happy balance.
Nicholas Bonasoro thank you!
Actually King himself lectures Saitama about the same thing.
Spoiler kinda?
Saitama confesses to him in the manga all about how he's bored to be overpowered and lacking challenge. King just asks him if he's tried something else in his life. Some other way in wich he can improve or be defeated "Like Videogames"
Saitama says he can't feel emotion by victory or defeat in something like a videogame to wich King, with a smug face, tells him that he will defeat Saitama using only two fingers, wich manages to anger Saitama, who screams
"I will crush you this time!"
I don't like this episode. You spend a lot of time talking about why One Punch Man has to be boring, but never get to why it is not. As in you did not say anything about the struggle of Saitama in the hero association. You might think that it is not philosophy, but it is: the show states that even if we get over our natural problems like food and shelter we still will have other problems we can spend our time on instead or we will at least create them. I believe that people currently say that they get less satisfaction from live than before just haven't found their other problems they can work around.
He did say why it was not boring. The supporting characters play the role of the typical hero, they struggle and thats where we get our action and emotion from. Then Saitama comes up and the bad guy dies.
I agree, and I think Glass Reflection did an awesome job at showing what the show is about
I dont think Saitama has any struggle in the hero association and his point still stand, plus yours. Saitama has no interest in being a S class hero, he didn't motivate by the ladder climbing in the Association so it's not a struggle. If any thing, it's a struggle of the lack or realization of the civ around him. And he seem to not mind it that much. More than any thing it's us that frustrate by it. Actually, he never said One Punch Man is boring, but said Saitama is bored. It's a great story, about a character who is bored with his life. And the book and the philosophy is about ideal - meaning it's not real. Ofcourse you'll never be in the position of lack of conflict. It's real life, you'll never running out of conflict. But the point is to be grateful of the conflict that we're dealing with, because with out it, life is meaningless.
What i like is that as Saitama's story goes, he meets and makes friends. Take Genos for example. A disciple, yes, but its good to have someone to socialize with.
I've got an anime for you guys. Does anyone remember FLCL (Fooly Cooly/Furi Kuri) ?
Yes!!!! Furi-kuri is one of the best animes I have seen
Of course. Just watched again a couple weeks ago.
Of course. And a second season is also coming.
My take is that it was a near-perfect observation of adolescence and the confusing soup of emotions and hormones dumped on early teenage boys.
Bill Burr's explanation of One Punch Man is fucking brilliant.
Honestly, I find Bill Burr to be a little more more brilliant than most people would admit.
Chase H. I agree i never thought of opm like that till bill burr
Uh not really, he kind of just pointed out metaphors that were already pretty prevalent at least to me (save for the mosquito woman part) and he only talked about the first 3 episodes. I really wouldn't say it was brilliant, though I love Bill Burr.
YES!!
Bill Burr did one punch man?
Damn it, I wanted to get stuff done today...
7:05 "Every creative writing student learns early in their education to avoid this kind of narrative bailout."
Can someone please send this bit to Reki Kawahara?
deus me fez ateu Pretty sure we did... It's up to him to listen to the advice.
Thought. When they say that the show has no conflict it might be more accurate to say that it lacks CONVENTIONAL conflict.
That's not what Deus Ex Machina means. Really, it's not. It requires a previously unknown element to appear to solve the conflict. If a story previously introduces or establishes that something could resolve a conflict, either explicitly or implicitly, then if that particular story element does resolve the conflict, then it doesn't count as a Deus Ex Machina. So the fact that we know Saitama is a thing from the beginning, any time he just shows up and wins a fight effortlessly excludes him from counting as such.
Think about how it appears to the characters, he is a Deus Ex Machina in their world. He comes out of no where, and instantly solves a seemingly unsolvable problem.
He is very much that, when you look at how the characters are developed to have absolutely 0 reason to believe he can stop them, he is a literal walking Deus Ex Machina, not for the viewers, but the world itself.
humans are paradoxical we hate being bored and dislike having conflict but just like a story it would be boring without conflict
Well i would't mind to live without terrorists.
pls do a philosophy of Full Metal Alchemist brotherhood
Brandon Anderson You're so right! I view it as a perfect metaphor for the military industrial complex and capitalism's tendency to encourage the concentration of wealth into the hands of the few at the expense of countless human lives.
Brandon Anderson no more weeboo please
Especially Episode 4
Brotherhood sucks, man.
I'm just saying, that I personally liked the original FMA much better
Saitama one punching enemies don't make the show boring because it makes the side characters (such as genos) grow. And the way he one shot 'em while the others are struggling is hilarous.
Please do not refer to me as any sort of "hater" or some other slang term adopted by the world for the following statement. The majority of this video was not philosophy, it was literature examination. Philosophic conversations in this example would have been about the meaning of power or the limits of human will, not the complexity of story arcs and narrative troupes.
movieman weirdo you aint no hater youze a procrastinater
Time for philosophy of hotline miami
The greatest villian is still the moscito.
Spanish Moustache despacito
Anime feels weird dubbed
This is the only anime I've watched where the voice acting in English seems better to me.
I'm 3 episodes into season 1, watching subtitled. Watching this makes me mostly happy I'm watching it non-dubbed, but some of these clips were better dubbed. Mostly the "DAMNNN ITTTTTTTT"s.
So much better without the dub...the only good english dub I've eve seen in anime is the old school and first season of FLCL/Fooly Cooly.
I've come to find out that when you start by watching subbed anime then the dub will sound weird and vice versa
Tyler Durden it is. I’ll never understand how people can listen to the extremely whiney voice actors.
Man the English dub is weird.
It's HORRIBLE... *The emotions seem to be nonexistent*
I was thinking exactly the same thing. It came to a peak at the point where saitama holds mumen rider after the Sea King clobbers him.
It's not -all- anime, but some are definitely weird when the voice acting affects the personality of the character in such a different fashion. The Japanese voice acting of saitama is so much less cavalier about everything. He's like, melancholy.
It's overacted and underacted at the same time. Definitely not a fan.
Man the Japanese sub is weird.
yea it just sounds wrong to me.. well every1 has their preference.
Please do the philosophy of Black Lagoon. It is my favorite and I think it has many philosophical and psychological undertones
Yes, totally agree, my favorite anime of all time.
I would say there is shallow conflict with Saitama being bored of not having equal opponents. What bores him is that there is a lack of obstacles.
I love One Punch Man! When i first heard about it I thought it was all hype, until I actually saw it. So glad it exists!
I've never heard the dub until now.
It makes me giggle.
"Be grateful for your pain and suffering; it gives life meaning..."
I used to be called weak, then I started working out a lot and that was solved. I used to want friends, now I have so much that i'm trying to find alone time. I used to suck at talking to women and wish I was good, now I can and could care less. I used to hate my job, so I started online entrepreneurship and love it. All of this is cool and all but most of the time I kinda sit around and wonder, what is life?? Shit, I even studied philosophy so much that that was blown out of the water.
Once you achieve everything you want, you intentionally try to make things harder or different to feel growth.
Now I find myself doing random ass shit like organizing things for no reason, approaching random girls in public and getting their contacts 24/7 for fun, learning flips without caring about getting hurt, and learning math when I previously wouldn't touch it.
Just be grateful for your struggle. Its better than facing the void.
The pain in life is a gift in itself.
What if Saitimo hit himself?
He probably knock himself out.
Matija Pavlovic Watch episode two..
It'd probably be the same as if you hit yourself, except scaled to the point that the wall behind you is destroyed.
That's how Chuck Norris was born
Watch him trying to kill the mosquito
I find a lot wisdom in Saitama’s concern with the everyday obstacles of life and the genuineness of his famous “I’m a guy who’s a hero for fun.” catch phrase. He’s so purely simple while everyone around him is achingly complicated that it’s kind of inspiring. To me his impeccably chill and nonchalant attitude compared to the other characters around him is part of what this show is about. While everyone is so caught up in their own drawn out personal conflicts, becoming the strongest, or taking over the world; he takes things day by day. More interested in saving money, watering plants, or playing games. To me he’s the Lebowski of anime heroes.The narrative that people always have to have some sort of deep motive in how they pursue life can be tiring. Also I just love how he exposes others for being naive or disrespectful, and while even though he’s immensely stronger than everyone else - at the end of the day he’s just a dude who minds his own business and treats others as he’d like to be treated.
You think I leave youtube comments for the recognition?!?!? NO, I'm just a guy who leaves comments for fun.
I loved this video! But I'm curious, does One Punch Man have anything to say about Morality? Why do people make moral decisions? What is the line that makes a person good? I would love to see a video that discusses this!
focusing on "experiencing the joy of life by overcoming harsh situation" is forgetting why we chose to go to a somewhat boring life: avoiding death or pushing death away. it's easy for philosopher to theorize to reclaim the fun of survival versus the everyday life but most people would die right away without society. People who experiment danger for fun know they can come back to safety. Hardship, fear, and danger without safety or chances of rest and comfort isn't exhilarating, it's constant mental and physical pain.
Thus, it's hard for us (bored by mundane life) to really understand living in war and immigration. War refugees face obstacles and conflict so it's good for storytelling but many (of any ages) dies and are forgotten. They crave our boredom. we can't forget that.
Conflict is the salt of life if you can afford a steak.
Thanks, I was looking for this - it felt very simplistic to say that life is meaningless without overcoming obstacles when some are clearly unimaginably worse than others.
Except, ALL of our ancestors dealt with extreme toil, pain and suffering in order for us to have the luxury of comfort today. Wars, economic depression, Slavery, famine and disease. Without them struggling to succeed we have nothing as a result. Nothing in technology, medicine, food, invention. Without pain, there is no peace. We as progeny are a product of that struggle. The less we have the more are kids will. So, yes, life is pain and suffering. Unless you strive through it to give it purpose, it's meaningless.
Thank you for this. You not only taught me about OPM, but I seriously reflected on my own life. I think my OCD may have to do with lack of challenge.